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All that edumacation makes them evil...
I am so proud to say I have never seen a Tyler Perry film!
I have however have had the misfortune of sitting through thirty minutes of his sitcom House of Payne. It too is rife with triteness and stereotypes.
Tyler Perry has really lowered the bar with is films.
Oh and I am so sick of hearing people say they respect Tyler Perry's hustle (even though they don't like his films).
For those of us, 'black, professional, educated women' it's no secret that the theme in all of his movie's has been the same bullshit we're trying to run away from in the BC.
YOU go out and do everything you have to do to succeed, and come back and saddle yourself with some black man who didn't the same.
AND IF THEY DON'T---HE FIXES THEM!
I knew he was full of sh*t when the end of the family that prays ends with the conniving desperate and depending on her now ex-husband for a hand out.
THANK YOU SIDDITY
In my opinion, it seems like a lot of "black movies" tend to promote ideas that continue to keep black women in mental bondage.
Yes, Siddity, this is about right. Graphixie and Monie, congratulations...you've managed to avoid this leg of the Vortex of Coonery [(c) Faith]. House of Payne? Man, fuggedaboutit...
It's quite difficult for me to respect one's hustle when s/he is setting the collective (at least the segment with some sense/discernment) back several decades.
I was thought he made Lightskinned Black men look like saviors who love single moms.
Personally, I'm glad he showed a Black woman character in the "villian" role. It was a nice change of pace.
If you think his films are filled w/ sterotypical things about bw, I guess you haven't caught up with T.D Jakes, he's just about up there to w/ "Woman Thou Art Loosed" and "Not Easily Broken"(I hate that movie,everything sterotypical you could possibly imagine in that film).
I'm sure that shaped many of his views (he seems like a mama's boy who was afraid to go outside).
The educated light-skinned long haired girls were probably out of his reach.
The White people were probably always better than he.
The real brotha's were probably too tough for him.
He seems to view thing from a victimized Black woman's point of view.
I can't relate to any of that so I can't say that I'm a fan of Mr. Perry.
Yes and many of those women realize there are far and few between black men. See how stereotypes work, not very nice.
BW need to carry themselves better, respect themselves, and both value, and also nurture themselves.
You are right, but sometimes it is hard to do when you are constantly berated by men who look like you. It is a self esteem killer.
Stop having OOW babies acting out, being rude, loud, and in general obnoxious with attitude, and then only complaining about "where are the good BM?" Most, men regardless of race don't care for a ready made family nor the attitude, those points seem to have completely...and still are being missed by the majority of BW today.
I wish more black men would take care of the OOW babies, quit being rude, loud, and act as if they are inherently superior to black women. I wish that black men would quit assuming all black women are waiting for black men. Again, stereotypes and generalizations aren't very nice are they? By the way, I've been with my husband 10 years, and we have no OOW babies. I never see this talk given to all the white, divorced, moms out there. I wonder why? They are a prize even if they have children. Black women with degrees, jobs, sparkling personalities, never married, and no kids, still are seen as less than. Kind of sad really.
So, BW please remember that the next time you think that you have greater stock in your "back pockets", then you do in your brain!
Black men, please do the same.
Yes them light skinned heffas are the debil too!!!! Edumacation is the debil!!!!!!! Never ever bother to speak proper English, or assume that a degree is an accomplishment, the only goal in life is to have a man.
White women are taught to "have it all", black women are taught "you can't have everything, and if you attempt to, you are being selfish and arrogant"
Oh and I am so sick of hearing people say they respect Tyler Perry's hustle (even though they don't like his films).
I get sick of that too. When we do have black directors make decent movies, no one supports them. We get a black man in drag and everyone is eager to go out and see it. I don't get it. Rusty Cundieff made some awesome movies (he also did some stupid stuff too), but the awesome movies no one supported. House Party 2 however was a hit. Theodore Witcher fell off the face of the earth after Love Jones, but TD Jakes can make a mediocre movie, and black folks flock.
I definitely agree.
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It's quite difficult for me to respect one's hustle when s/he is setting the collective (at least the segment with some sense/discernment) back several decades.
Thank you!!!!
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I guess people look thru life with their own lenses.
Yes and that is the biggest problem with the "black women ain't shit brigade", they never acknowledge their short comings, but pretend all things wrong are with black women. Apparently in their eyes black women are the most flawed and they are the most perfect. If a black woman has a baby OOW it is all her fault, and the black man that left her alone with the OOW is an innocent that was trapped by the evil black woman. It couldn't possibly be BOTH THEIR FAULTS.
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Don't forget that if we're not on crack/what not then sometime in our past we were sexual abused due to us not trusting men(Made's FR, I Can Do Bad).
Of course our ability to trust men lies with some traumatic event in our lives. It couldn't be because a woman has dated assholes in her past and is trying to avoid the same mistake later on.
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i love that he took those kids that got thrown out of the pool to disney world that was so nice
I will give him that. That was nice. I hear he does a lot of nice stuff like that.
I'd like to think of myself as a black woman who is an independent thinker, and in no way shape or form do I feel as though his images are inflicting a negative ideology or a mentality that would set me back or anyone else. If a movie has that much power to set someone back or change their whole mentality, then that person has a bigger issue, and needs to take that up with some professional medical help...not Tyler Perry. Many women in our community neglect themselves on a daily basis; they don't need a movie to do such.
Is it because the evil one is light skinned or its the fact that those are the only Black women that are accepted as women.
The darker skinned ones are basically trash to Black men. So Black Women to them, are light skinned women.
Most Black female leads are lisght skinned. I can't think of any lead where it was a dark skinned woman. If she is cast she is usually some tragic figure.
You know, almost every non Black woman I have met who is dating a Black man has the same story about the man's ex being crackhead.
Either Black men are actively tanishing the BW's image while in relations with non Blacks or most Black women are on crack.
BW need to carry themselves better, respect themselves, and both value, and also nurture themselves. Stop having OOW babies acting out, being rude, loud, and in general obnoxious with attitude, and then only complaining about "where are the good BM?"
laromana says,
You need to STOP making FALSE GENRALIZATIONS about ALL BW. It's people, like you, who are responsible for CONTINUING to promote RACIST/ANTI-BW LIES, MYTHS, and STEREOTYPES that attack the HUMANITY and DIGNITY of BW.
If you take an HONEST look at American society, you'll see that there are women of ALL RACES who fit the NEGATIVE STREOTYPES you noted in your comments. The difference is that NON-BLACK communities DON'T GENERALIZE NEGATIVE traits/actions from SOME WOMEN in their racial group to ALL WOMEN in their racial group (as is so COMMON in the so called "BC"). If it wasn't for the TREMENDOUS SACRAFICES/ACHIEVEMENTS of MANY BW in the "BC", it would have died LONG AGO.
I think it's interesting that you SCAPEGOAT ALL BW for the problems in the "BC" but DON'T MENTION the role of the MANY DBR BM who have ABANDONED their role as PROVIDERS/PROTECTORS of BW/BLACK FAMILIES in the "BC". This is the REAL REASON the "BC" is self destructing.
It is NOT TRUE that ALL/MOST BW fit the NEGATIVE STEREOTYPES you have noted in your comments. You need to acknowledge the TRUTH about ALL BW or keep your NEGATIVE, RACIST/ANTI-BW STEREOTYPES to yourself. Otherwise, YOU, like Tyler Perry/his films CONTINUE to be part of the PROBLEM (BW face in American culture as they fight to DESTROY RACIST/ANTI BW LIES, MYTHS, and STEREOTYPES) instead of the SOLUTION.
While I don't doubt there are plenty of good bm in all social strata, this statement included the group of educated black women, who, for some reason, should not aspire to date an intellectual/financial equal, but settle for whatever they can find. It was shocking to read, as if expecting a similar level of education is equal to gold-digging. Some men will always see educated, independent women as a threat to their masculinity and will try to vilify them. Michelle Obama is probably the best example, where does she get off having intelligent opinions and all that shit, plus the credentials to back them up? Burn the witch!
I remember reading some where that said if you want to know if a community is surving and thriving, look at the men. These guys do their darnest to blame women for the BC community, when the whole world can see who really is the problem. I'm not worried about them trying to "tarnish" our image, because little do they realize they are tarnish their own image in the process.
Yes, I'm still fuming over the animalistic, savage killing of Darrion Albert.
This is what the Xaviers of this world don't realize. If BW went out stereotyping BM at the rate they do BW, they would be truly destroyed. But they can't see how harmful their actions are.
So you are saying perpetuating stereotypes has no impact on you as an individual. I differ in opinion. No one is bashing Tyler Perry, we just don't think of perpetuating stereotypes as something uplifting and positive.
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I remember once reading on an IR forum something along the lines of "black women should stop chasing successful bm and give a chance to the blue-collar brothas, because there are plenty of good men among them". Written by a black man who was actually taking pride in cutting the middleman and achieving wealth without education.
The killer for me is that many times "blue collar" workers have vocational training or other training. You can't just become a licensed plumber, you have to apprentice. You can't just become a mechanic, you need some training or working your way up. Airplane mechanics are "blue collar", but many make great money and they have vocational training that makes them certified to do so. So even if you are "blue collar" many times, you still need an education, even if it isn't traditional college.
. Some men will always see educated, independent women as a threat to their masculinity and will try to vilify them.
I do think that educated and "white collar" career type women threaten men regardless of race.
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Yes, I'm still fuming over the animalistic, savage killing of Darrion Albert.
That case angers me to no end. It's pathetic, sad, and shows we are in a sad state of affairs. It shows our crabs in a barrel mentality. You don't want someone else to be better than you, so you knock them down. I guess giving a damn about your education and trying to stay out of trouble is "thinking you are better than someone"
So you are saying perpetuating stereotypes has no impact on you as an individual. I differ in opinion. No one is bashing Tyler Perry, we just don't think of perpetuating stereotypes as something uplifting and positive.
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I remember once reading on an IR forum something along the lines of "black women should stop chasing successful bm and give a chance to the blue-collar brothas, because there are plenty of good men among them". Written by a black man who was actually taking pride in cutting the middleman and achieving wealth without education.
The killer for me is that many times "blue collar" workers have vocational training or other training. You can't just become a licensed plumber, you have to apprentice. You can't just become a mechanic, you need some training or working your way up. Airplane mechanics are "blue collar", but many make great money and they have vocational training that makes them certified to do so. So even if you are "blue collar" many times, you still need an education, even if it isn't traditional college.
. Some men will always see educated, independent women as a threat to their masculinity and will try to vilify them.
I do think that educated and "white collar" career type women threaten men regardless of race.
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Yes, I'm still fuming over the animalistic, savage killing of Darrion Albert.
That case angers me to no end. It's pathetic, sad, and shows we are in a sad state of affairs. It shows our crabs in a barrel mentality. You don't want someone else to be better than you, so you knock them down. I guess giving a damn about your education and trying to stay out of trouble is "thinking you are better than someone"
By the way, it grates when I hear black people describe themselves as "educated". Who really cares whether or not you sat in a classroom for four extra years? That doesn't make you any more entitled to marry wealthy. Humility, please. In case anyone is wondering, I do have a degree, but I don't wave it around in people's faces to prove how "rare and different" I am as a black woman.
Whenever I see or hear "I'm an educated black (wo)man...", I immediately tune out. Usually what the person has to say after that completely contradicts the preface.
Tyler Perry writes movie for a specific audience that has been ignored by Hollywood. Just because he is black does not mean he represents ALL black people.
I am proud of what he has accomplished. I went with my girls to see I Can Do Bad All By Myself and we laughed and cried and had a good time.
I kinda hate it when some Black people wanna ride their high horse and look down on the other experiences of some blacks that may make them feel uncomfortable around their white friends.
I grew up in the hood and bad stuff like what's in TP films happens all the time.
Just a thought.
Yes I am. The veil has been lifted from my eyes a long time ago, and I found out I have this wonderful thing called a brain. No one can force anything upon you unless you allow it. I don't allow stereotypes to dictate my reality...my future. Unfortunately, many people don't understand the power of a strong a mind...a mind that isn't easily deviated from the truth...one's own truth that is define by his/her perceptions.
I see black people portraying "stereotypes" everyday, and I don't succumb to them...I damn sure won't succumb to them in a movie.
I know, many professions require some type of education, but that guy was talking about extremes and the point of his rant was that black women should just settle for any guy who doesn't have a criminal record. He was obviously frustrated because he was dumping on people with college degrees (and bw in particular) when he couldn't even spell correctly. Not that it matters what one loser thinks, my point is that this attitude towards successful, educated bw is something I've seen before.
On the other hand, I know a white lady, middle-aged, divorced, overweight, frumpy, 4 kids, no education and no job (lives off of alimony), who exclusively dates black men and only goes after tall, very attractive, successful ones, and no one tells her "woman, wake up and take a look at yourself first". May be she is an exception, I don't know, but her entitlement to A-class bm never seems to shock anyone.
"By the way, it grates when I hear black people describe themselves as "educated". Who really cares whether or not you sat in a classroom for four extra years? That doesn't make you any more entitled to marry wealthy. Humility, please."
Some people care about that, and people who took their education seriously (not just for a piece of paper)have all the right to be proud of it. It is an achievement for which they worked hard, it doesn't mean they look down on others because of that. I'm not American, so it surprises me to hear people taking more pride in how much money they make and everybody thinks it's ok, but when someone takes pride in their education, it's seen as elitist and condescending. It has nothing to do with gold-digging, but if a professional woman makes very good money, why shouldn't she aspire to date an equal?
I have been called "evil" and "weird" because I expect a guy to be educated, articulate and financially stable (not rich, just stable), like wanting all that makes me incapable of real love, I must be a calculated, heartless bitch. And I'm sure many other women have been through that.
I never see this talk given to all the white, divorced, moms out there. I wonder why? They are a prize even if they have children.
My reply:
And when white women are baby-mamas, they are seen with more sympathy--they were abandoned by a man who would not do right by them, but black women are seen as merely amoral or as evil witches who tried to trap the fathers of their children but were caught in time...
A perfect example, Seal dated Heidi Klum while she was pregnant with another man's child--some Italian she was dating. Klum said that he is the only father she has ever known, having married him either before the birth or after.
Not to me. I understand pride in education. I'm proud of mine. I'm two generations away from sharecroppers. Having an education is awesome. Wanting an equal partner who is financially stable is fine. However, some of the most inarticulate, uncultured, morons I've ever met have been on college campuses. Business majors, to boot. Having a degree means nothing if the person lacks content and/or character.
My white husband dropped out of college and joined the Army. He's a pilot now. A somewhat prestigious title and profession, but to an educated, black woman seeking an "equal" he wouldn't be worth her time.
I mention race, because I do understand the pickings are slim when it comes to educated black men and women. However, most of the white people I know didn't even go to college, and those who did don't make it a deciding factor in who they date. We travel with the military, but I've noticed a lot of white couples where the wife has an advanced degree, while the husband joined up right out of high school. Love is love. What does it say about black women, when the dealbreaker is a college degree? Are black men that terrible, where we have to set these kinds of standards? Are white women's standards lower? I'm asking here, not making any presumptions.
I don't think people who furiously criticize bw for having high standards refer to situations like yours. It's usually more of a "she has a PhD and he's a cab driver" kind of thing, no offense to anyone. Pilots have never had any trouble getting laid or getting married, and there are also other jobs that don't require a college degree, but require some serious brains and skills, like Siditty said.
"Love is love. What does it say about black women, when the dealbreaker is a college degree? Are black men that terrible, where we have to set these kinds of standards?"
Love is love, but we all have our filtering criteria, how is this criterion any worse than others? I know two wonderful bm who get rejected regularly for being short (not even Danny DeVito short, just shorter than average), and people are understanding of that, because attraction is attraction and you can't fake it. It seems to me that when the dealbreaker has to do with sex or emotions, then it's fine; when it has to do with your intellect, suddenly it's not.
"However, some of the most inarticulate, uncultured, morons I've ever met have been on college campuses. Business majors, to boot. Having a degree means nothing if the person lacks content and/or character."
College definitely doesn't make you a better person. If you look at it as just a way to get a degree, with the bonus of being drunk or high in the meanwhile, of course it won't make you better. But it does give you a much better chance to improve yourself, if you want to take it. You have 4 extra years in which you get the time, the environment and the resources to evolve intellectually; if you take advantage of that, it will surely show on you.
I feel like I'm already going off-topic here. My point is that stereotyping the women who have high goals is dangerous for a community, because young girls need role models, and if it comes to "educated woman = bitter evil shrew that deserves to die alone", that sends out a very wrong message.
Just asking.
Having a degree means nothing if the person lacks content and/or character.
Excellent post. It seems some people feel that a piece of paper entitles you to be rude, and obnoxious. But truth be told. These people have always been this way.
There is a reason you are single, and bitter. Look in the mirror. That goes for Black men and Black women. People really need to get over themselves. Honestly.
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I look at Tyler Perry the same way I look at BET booty videos. They are used as gateway tools.
Black women were not shown as sex symbols until the booty shaking videos came around. That is the ugly truth. I looked back at 80's hair band videos. Didn't see any Black chicks dancing behing Motely Crue.
So while it is ugly. It allowed America to see beautiful women of different hues. Now there is a sudden explosion of Black women all over. I don't find that a coincidence.
Now for Tyler Perry movies. He did something that nobody else was able to do. Get America to pay attention to a predominately Black cast. A Black male lead, and a Black female lead. Aka. a Dead Movie to White Execs.
He sprinkled in coonery to mask it, but the now you Tarii P. Henson getting nominated for Oscars. Do we honestly feel that her talent would have been shown earlier? No.
Also to comment about Tyler Perry's movies, I think his movies are moreso trying to show women and men down and out and how with the grace of God they have been uplifted. As a BW I don't feel as if I'm being insulted in any of his movies.In Diary of a Mad black woman it shows a woman who gave up herself to be with a man and forgot to love God first. She was uplifted after she went back to God and she achieved true love whether it be with a factory worker, she received the true thing she desired from the man before, it just didn't come with the jewels and the cars. There are stereotypes for everyone, WW are dumb and submissive, HW like to have a bunch of babies, BW are lazy and are on welfare, who cares. You determine who you are and who cares what other people think of us. They are going to think it anyway.