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As for the post on the other site in regards to his comments, I feel that there was outrage for the sake of outrage. Matt, like most guys take notice/interest in women for their looks first and foremost. It's just how we are wired. Sexism comes into play when a man believes that this is all a woman is good for. Mick-on-a-hey didn't cross that line, IMHO, but then again I could be looking at this through my designer tinted glasses of male chauvanism.
If anything, I think Matthew McConaughey was giving props to black women, in particular the ones who pack a little more "junk in the trunk." It's actually kind of refreshing to have a celebrity speak so openly about his attraction to darker hued women and recognize that sexiness isn't automatically equated with being a size 0.
I don't know what he has going on in the brain dept. As laid back/tree hugger/bud lover as he claims he is, I'm amazed we even got complete sentences. I don't think a second interview would produce a better answer to that question.
those who are offended need to find something offense worthy. this ain't one of them. i bet these are some of the same people who want disney to change their prince.
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Like other women don't come in anything bigger than a 2? Why are we a "larger package" by default? In American and Western society, "larger package" is usually a euphemism, not at all a compliment.
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I also thought it was a crappy way to phrase a question. I do agree with that. It could come off offensive no matter what his answer.
I don't know what he has going on in the brain dept. As laid back/tree hugger/bud lover as he claims he is, I'm amazed we even got complete sentences. I don't think a second interview would produce a better answer to that question.I agree with this wholeheartedly. The man smokes bud 24/7 from what I understand.
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If a black man made the exact same statement, there would be a unanimous declaration of offense.I disagree, black men make comments like this all the time, but black women don't get offended.
On the other hand there are men like him that appreciate the darker women but know the price is too high especially for his A list status. Same goes for George Clooney. Some of these men know that in the immediate future they cannot date dark skinned women because of the loss of privilage. Please one thing all IRers should take seriously is the loss of White privilage, for some its too high a price and they won't let go of it easily.
Another person who had that issue was Marlon Brando. He liked his women so dark that he always coerced his Indian girl friend to stay in the sun for so long. She could not achieve the darkness he desired and she was frustrated by it.
There are white men that desire the darkest women. Scandanavian men tend to do this alot. In Africa, some of us would be considered too pale for them. They all want Alek Wek tones when they date African women.
My former Boss back home, a Canadian, could not date the Gabriel Union tone or lighter. He was thoroughly disgusted when I returned after a holiday from the UK and I was about 2 shades lighter.
American men are no different, its just that the rules are different here.
Its only here where WM have to hide their true feelings.
I hear that even in the Islands, there is a strong preferance for the darker tones by white tourists.
LOL! What hypocrisy. Black men are saying much worse and any protests don't seem to be heard. What Matthew said is nothing compared to what a typical Black male would say in his position. Young Berg any one?
Way to bring the focus onto a the Black male. Come to think of it, when was the last time anyone heard a Black male say anything positive about Black women in public ?
and you'll see many sites pop up about Black women being more overweight than other Americans.
http://www.womenshealth.gov/minority/africanamerican/obesity.cfm
I see nothing wrong with Matthew's comments, but wonder if he will marry his Black Brazilian "baby mama".
Black men are saying much worse and any protests don't seem to be heard.
I'm speaking specifically about the commenters on this blog. If a well known black actor made this same statement in the same context, this blog would almost unanimously be filled with criticism aimed at him.
You know, I once lived in a a somewhat communal environment in L.A. with people coming through from all over the world. We shared a living room and therefore a TV. And everytime I went down to the living room the mostly non black male audience was tuned into BET. The guy that always turned it on was a resident Asian American. When I came in people always looked uncomfortable like they were caught doing something illegal. And a few times guys were caught in the living room wanking. I hate to think what they were watching at the time but my guess is as good as yours.
America just has this unwritten rule as regards to Black women. Men have to push any feelings to the back of the psyche. Its NOT NORMAL.
I have a good friend that is struggling with that at the moment. I know exactly what he is going through but he doesn't think I know. Its his battle and only his alone to fight.
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So I see I'm not the only one who believes George Clooney secretly prefers black women. Hmmm...
I was reading an article while googling pics that indicated he is not about getting married right now.
By tossing that in there, he's playing to the big black woman stereotype. Black women are not alone in being obese in America, but they are often singled out as such.
At the same time, black women are the most likely to have the most "ideal" proportions (IE the hourglass figure) than other Americans. This, too, would make them "bigger packages" than those with proportions closer to 1 (where bust, waist, and hip measurements are equal or close to it) by virtue of having larger hips, irrespective of whether or not they were overfat.
It is the American/Western/white beauty ideal that says big/no boobs+slim/no hips = beautiful; boobs/big boobs + hips wider than waist = ugly, fat, "other."
His statement also excludes those black women with figures fitting the beauty ideal: even if they were attractive, they are not coverworthy for Elle.
George Clooney is so sure he will never get married. Either he is gay or is strongly attracted to BW and knows the price for that. He has a history of dating BW. But with the rules he can't go out like that. He is going to end up like Prince Albert of Monaco. Has that guy gotten married anywway? He was supposed to have finally married end of last year? Anyone with word on him?
I agree wholeheartedly with your comment regarding some WM who think they're too good for BW when they're in their prime but want to actively pursue BW once they're older (and not as sought after). I feel strongly that if a WM/NON-BM discriminates against BW in his youth for whatever reason(eg. ANTI-BW cowardice, ANTI-BW RACISM, fear of losing White prvilege, etc.), BW should NOT TRUST them and reject ANY relationship with them when they are older. BW are worthy of FULL acceptance of their beauty/femininity, humanity, and dignity, and ANY man that doesn't respect that isn't worthy of a relationship with a BW. In a society that is largely ANTI-BW, we need men who will "have our back" not treat us as if we're second class women.
I get it. I was not offended. Anytime a mainstream guy praises black women's beauty, I am all for it.
Relax, people. He rreally did mean it as a compliment.
Grata said:
"Matthew did the typical White American male thing. He still ended up with someone that looks more white than Black. Maybe his definition of Black is Alicia Keys. So I wouldn't take his comments too seriously."
haha that's funny because there are white men who do think this. However I'm going to have to disagree with you on Matthew being this way. However, I'm going to agree with you on him afraid of losing his white privledge. I heard he actually likes darker skin black women, but compromised being with one because he has to keep his white female audience interested in him. So he settled for an Afro-Brazillain model girlfriend to have his audience feel comfortable. However, Matty Boy counldn't win because those DBR white women were having a fit and using black american women stereotypes against her. It got worst when they found out tha Gerard Butler likes black women lol.
Siditty said:
"I didn't take it that way. I think I construed his comment to mean that a black woman, regardless of size tends to carry confidence in herself. But that is just my opinion. "
Exactly that is the way I took it. I don't think he was directly giving a compliment nor was he insulting. I think he was generally talking about curvy women and said that he see it more in black women embracing their curves even though it is not considered coverworthy. He used black women as an example. Also "larger package" does not always equate to obesity. Brian Myles is not considered obese but she is a larger package compared to Kate Moss lol. It's on you to take it as a compliment or an insult. However, Matty Boy is not that damn bright in the first place so his answers are going to come off incoherent. That damn bud has killed all of his brain cells lol.
I remember reading way back that Prince Albert was madly in love with a BW back during his college days. His father Prince Renier fobade him to marry her.
When he couldn't marry her he vowed he'd never marry.
That was some years ago, maybe he'll relent.
As I said before in my earlier comment, I was more offended by the way the interviewer asked the question than by the way Matthew answered the question.
On a side note. Years ago when Howard Stern was still on commercial radio he had George Clooney on as a guest. Their conversation soon turned to women. He told Howard that his own father told him he should open himself up to dating black women because black women were the bomb (direct quote).
I find it interesting that George Clooney is always rumored to be gay for the simple fact that he makes no bones about the fact that he doesn't want to get married again and he never wants to have kids. I applaud him for that fact. To me personally that makes him sexy as hell. I find it so ridiculous that just because somebody doesn't want kids that equates to being homosexual in our society. HELLO America...not everyone wants to have babies. Not everyone desires to reproduce. That doesn't make you gay or abnormal or some type of deviant. Not every man in the world wants to be a father and not every woman in the world wants to be a mother.
The other thing I find interesting about George Clooney is the fact that when articles are written about him and the great loves of his life, 99.9% of the time they never mention the fact that he dated Kimberly ("Head Of The Class") Williams for three years and they use to live together. They always manage to name all of the white women he was in love with but they always "neglect" mentioning the black woman he was in love with.
One poster stated that you shouldn't date WM who think they are doing you a favor by dating you. Newsflash, there are a lot BM who think they are doing you a favor by dating you as well because they could be dating WW or AW. How about don't date anyone who thinks they are doing you a favor.
There are many BW who prefer to ONLY date WM/NON-BM and my remark (don't date WM/NON-BM who think they're doing you a favor) was addressed to THESE BW. Obviously, BW should stay away from dating ANY men who think they're doing them a favor.
"One poster stated that you shouldn't date WM who think they are doing you a favor by dating you. Newsflash, there are a lot BM who think they are doing you a favor by dating you as well because they could be dating WW or AW. How about don't date anyone who thinks they are doing you a favor."This is what I said: BW should forget any man who thinks they are doing us a favour by dating/marrying us." So, we're saying the same thing :)
However, knowing how much MM has been shown his appreciation for black women in the past,I really can't take offense.
Also, this might sound crazy,but many white men have their own way of communicating that would be very offensive if you didn't know them better. I just think MM is being like a lot of other men from "east Texas"..."special" lol
As for Matt's answer, I don't care either way. I never found him that attractive. Someone who sits around smoking pot all day is not my cup of tea.
(I don't know why it hasn't been spacing properly when I try to bold or italicize something, so I hope it works this time.)
I once read a print article where the same things were claimed about Johnny Depp...we only see the white women he dated. It was his own quote. To be honest, I don't believe dating bw will hurt their status overall, it will upset some of their female fan base. I hate to say it but ww don't seem to get as upset over wm dating marrying IR as much as bw do. It may shatter their egoes but only so much.
Like many of you, I was a bit put off by the question. But the comments made over at Womanist Musings are rooted in the feminist mindset that male sexuality degrades women no matter what. (yes, I know the difference between feminism and womanism,LOL) Any time a man expresses a desire for the female body, it's objectification in their eyes. Don't get the wrong idea, I like to read many feminist blogs but I tend to disagree with them when it comes to this.
That was some years ago, maybe he'll relent"
He actually said he would marry after his father dies. Its been afew years now.
I think its harder for men to rebound once they have lost the love of their lives. With women we can fall in love with anyone given time.
America just has this unwritten rule as regards to Black women. Men have to push any feelings to the back of the psyche. Its NOT NORMAL.
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I am in my final year of college and I am just starting to realize this. I used to think attraction conquered all fears but I guess centuries of conditioning can't overcome all inhibitions. Pity.
White men should know that they are walking on eggshells when they talk about black women.
Anon., I think you hit the issue squarely on the head. I think the hew and cry we are seeing about this (in my eyes at least) nice comment will only discourage white male celebrities for attempting to say something complimentary about a woman of color, lest they get some kind of backlash from the very people they are trying to compliment. Even white male celebrities who appeal directly to a black audience (like Jon B. or Robin Thicke) have even had their feet held to the fire when they had nice things to say about black women. I think alot of us have been so indoctrinated with the idea that we are not enough, that when someone attempts a compliment, we doubt their intentions and think they are trying to be "slick" instead of simply saying "thanks for noticing". Elle (which I do not read by the way) is jacked up, not MM's answer.
Anyway, I realize that they are the older versions of the white males who stare me down now but never say crap to me or ask me out.
A lot of these men are married and say they always desired BW but were too afraid to act on their desires. The pressure to marry someone who looked like them was overwhelming, and now that they're in their 50s and 60s they no longer care and are trying to get with BWs in their 30s and 40s (who they believe are in their 20s & 30s...they have no concept of BWs real age).
In my neighborhood, the only real wm/bw couples I see are the older set. I'm sorry but I am not interested in old balls. I'm offended that they would even think that they could score with me.
They got married, had children, gave love and financial security to someone else and then want to indulge in BW who never had that opportunity when they were in their 20s and 30s????? Man, this pisses me off!
I realize I'll probably be alone forever, because I have way too much pride. Anything that's offered to me seems below what I think I deserve.
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Having seen your photo, I can say you are NOWHERE near Alek Wek's dark skin tone. Why are you alway railing against lighter-skinned blacks, yourself included?
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ITA.
Not too long ago I was sitting waiting for a friend at the local mall, when I began to notice that nearly all the people who passed by me were overweight. I quickly scanned the mall from other directions...yep, the same thing! Most were fat--not necessarily obese, but definitely pudgy. And not just black women, but both men and women and many races/nationalities, including a few East Asians.
A lot of these men are married and say they always desired BW but were too afraid to act on their desires. The pressure to marry someone who looked like them was overwhelming, and now that they're in their 50s and 60s they no longer care and are trying to get with BWs in their 30s and 40s (who they believe are in their 20s & 30s...they have no concept of BWs real age).
They got married, had children, gave love and financial security to someone else and then want to indulge in BW who never had that opportunity when they were in their 20s and 30s????? Man, this pisses me off!
laromana response,
Anon I totally agree with how you feel about these older WM. They really tick me off, too. I don't RESPECT/ACCEPT older WM/NON-BM who let ANTI-BW COWARDICE keep them from seriously dating and/or marrying BW when they were in their prime but are now attempting to pursue younger BW. I think they've got a lot of nerve and need to get over themselves. I don't want a WM/NON-BM who wasn't MAN ENOUGH to follow his heart and date and/or marry the women he truly loved. BW DESERVE better MEN than this.
Thankfully, most European men and younger WM/NON-BM these days seem to have more PRO-BW attitudes and aren't AFRAID to seriously date and/or marry BW.
Go to Europe. The young guys there don't have those issues.
Last anon, don't feel bad i recently got approaced by an older white male, he was in his 40s, i'm in my 20s, just don't take it personally. You won't be alone, you can always travel abroad.
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you know its pretty well known that white male teens are the largest hip hop consumers. that really doesn't surprise me. i knew alot of white males into hiphop/ bet that don't date bw, not sure what that means. they could justl ike the music, or could be something else. but thats why when that don imus thing happened i found it funny that he blamed hip hop when more white people purchase hip hop than bp, that was hilarious... lmao
Exactly. What is he doing being tuned into hip hop ? He must have BET. I wonder if those girls were much lighter skinned, would he have called them the same thing?
Basically Black men have now shown the world that its okay to insult darker skinned women.
Is this what MLK died for? So much for the Black man's freedom.
Yep, pretty much. I really do think some bm think the purpose of the civil rights movement was so that bm could be with ww. I'm damn convinced at this point. I'm not even joking.
Where in Europe exactly are you? Iceland?
"Yep, pretty much. I really do think some bm think the purpose of the civil rights movement was so that bm could be with ww. I'm damn convinced at this point. I'm not even joking."
I think you might be right. I was watching some program with old skool 1960's black musicians. I can't think of this guys name but when he was discussing his troubles of being a black man, and mentioned that the "white men" didn't want them dancing with white women. Like that is the biggest issue he faced during the civil rights movement.
Anonymous 12:19pm said:
"Having seen your photo, I can say you are NOWHERE near Alek Wek's dark skin tone. Why are you alway railing against lighter-skinned blacks, yourself included?"
She's not railing against light skin blacks. It's just that most of the negative stereotypes that are placed upon black women are darker skin.
lormarie said:
"I hate to say it but ww don't seem to get as upset over wm dating marrying IR as much as bw do. It may shatter their egoes but only so much."
WW do get upset over IR but when it comes to black women. My mom's ex-boyfriend told me that he has dated white women before. He said that when they had a discussion of talking about other race of women, he said that this one particular white woman said that she does not fear other races of women like Asians and Hispanics. She said that Asians and Hispanics are on her level of beauty. However, she does not feel Black women are and on top of that she feels that they are angry all the time. So my thing is they get upset when black women are seen with white men. Especially if he is a white man with status and with good looks. Some white women feel that they are deserving. Some don't even feel that black women are good enough for their own race of men. Don't believe me? Read the comments they make about Gerard Butler being seen with black women. Oh yeah and Matty Boy ain't off the hook neither. They write off the black women as not being "good enough". Oh and of course the comments they make about Michelle Obama not being good enough for Barack Obama.
The fact is, I live in the United States. I have a life here. Why should I go gallivanting all over Europe to find someone marriageable? I get what you are saying but it's not something I'm willing to do. Why should I uproot my life? Is it because I'm female and I should acquiesce to a male to find love? Or is it because I'm a BLACK female and the black female approach to finding love seems to be to take the male role to find companionship? Why are BW the only women in the world expected to do this? I’m sorry but this is not me.
I think I was born in the wrong century or something because I clearly have a disconnect to the way things are done. I find men to be immediately suspicious if you are genuinely enthusiastic about meeting them, yet if you are aloof you get labeled a bitch. Nobody is romantically honest anymore. Everyone is so guarded. I don’t want to play those games you know, so I‘m the one looking like the oddball. All the romance has been sucked out of dating and courtship, and what’s left is some strategic game-play where someone either wins or loses. How can anyone fall in love or expect to feel comfortable with a mate that is set up to be your adversary? Love and loving someone should be fluid and easy and effortless…well that what I’d like it to be.
I've traveled abroad and met Euros of all kinds. That shouldn't be the only solution.
The fact is, I live in the United States. I have a life here. Why should I go gallivanting all over Europe to find someone marriageable?
laromana replied,
NO ONE said European men SHOULD BE the ONLY solution to BW's dating problems.
I agree with you that BW shouldn't have to GO TO EUROPE to find a mate.
I also agree that BW shouldn't have to take the role of INITIATOR in their relationships with ANY man. If a man wants a relationship with a BW, he should pursue her first just as he would any NON-BW.
There are European guys in America and European guys have DEMONSTRATED MORE OPENNESS/ACCEPTANCE to BW than MOST American WM/NON-WM.
There is always this not-so-subtle attitude that it's okay to make BW feel like the ugly girl at the HS prom that no one wants to dance with, and I'm tired of it.
dani said,
So my thing is they get upset when black women are seen with white men. Especially if he is a white man with status and with good looks. Some white women feel that they are deserving. Some don't even feel that black women are good enough for their own race of men.
laromana said,
Certain SELF INVOLVED, RACIST ANTI-BW, ENTITLED PRINCESS American WW who think BW aren't "GOOD ENOUGH" for WM or ANY MEN need to get over themselves because they're NOT ALL THAT. I'm glad to see that MORE younger American WM/NON-BM GET IT (WW aren't the be all and end all for ALL men) and are no longer AFRAID to seriously date and/or marry BW. Despite the negative history of ANTI-BW hate in America, BW (and the men who love us)need to keep DESTROYING the LIE that it's O.K. to trash the HUMANITY, DIGNITY, AND FEMININITY OF BW.
TRUTH. A lot of non Black women are offended that President Obama didn't choose "one of them".
I recall some white women saying it would be better for race relations if President Obama married a white woman. Bullshit.
Also, when I watched the inauguration on BET and I remember a Black male reporter asking Pres. Obama why he married Michelle. WTF? I highly doubt he would've asked him that if his wife wasn't a Black woman.
It's called 'green'. I don't drink alcohol but i'll endorse it for the right amount of money.
Traveling to find love is not the only solution and it is not a solution for the desperate like some like to make it out. If you change your environment and your dating pool, you change your possiblities. You're responsible for your own happiness.
I feel it's a positive gesture and very proactive.
I wouldn't travel to Europe just to find a man. I'd have to have something driving me to be there like a great career opportunity.
To that, I would say to each his/her own.
You should do what works for you and not judge others' choices.
I also remember in an interview someone asking barack obama if he felt like he HAD to marry a black woman. *because ofcourse the only reason someone with his status would ever seriously be w/ a black woman is because he felt obligated to* Then on the stupid idiot bigot steve sailer's blog i vividly recall people discussing how barack was going to cheat on michelle and how 'manly,' she looks and he's obviously going to go after a blonde...
I would hate to agree with you. But it looks like that has been one major step forward for BM. Those Southern racists were after all not just being crazy paranoid when they thought freeing the BM would let him go after their women.
And how true this seems to be turning out to be.
I am mostly critical of Western Black men. Statistically African male immigrants are less likely to marry a non African. They won't even marry Africans that have grown up in the West. And even if they do, they have higher rates of divorce.
I have been thinking about the high failure rates of divorce between BM and WW.
I can see why an African male would end up in divorce. See, an African who has grown up in a Black Dominant environment can not get used to being a tool for the WW. Which is what the BM are to WW. WW are trophies to the men and they instinctively know that they are upgrading the BM's social status by being with them. the typical traditional African male has too much pride to consider that a favor and will quickly feel insulted by the idea.
Western BM seem to gain so much from this silent trade happily and giddily. Or maybe its in the back of their minds and that is why they tend to lash out at BW. IDK.
I would never want to be with someone who sees themselves as one of higher status than me, you are forever their inferior. And this is not to say that all whites are this way. I have met quite afew that were extremely down to earth and didn't take their whiteness too seriously. And there are genuine unions of BM and WW though I must admit I have never met one. All the BM I have known to be in these relationships where social climbers. And they always ended up burnt. There is one particular disturbing case I know and I won't go into that. It makes me shudder. All for trying to get up the social scale, but the price is too high.
Those idiots are too ignorant. If people understood Obama's heritage, Michelle is a prize. Luo women are generally ebony in tone and much leaner than Michelle. And their men still love them. Michelle is too "feminine" by their standards but also considered beautiful.
People underestimate how much Obama is influenced by his father's culture. With that strong influence,(which you can catch from his books) there is no way he could have married a white woman.
There are many mixed race kids of African origin who come to Africa and pick the darkest woman they can find to marry. I have seen this happen many times. Its as if they are trying to reaffirm that part of them.
For Obama the closest choice was an African American.
I read these, "he could do better" tabloid stories and they piss me off so bad. But they have brought society's attitude towards the BW to the surface with Michelle as the face of it all.
I have been thinking about the high failure rates of divorce between BM and WW.
I can see why an African male would end up in divorce. See, an African who has grown up in a Black Dominant environment can not get used to being a tool for the WW. Which is what the BM are to WW. WW are trophies to the men and they instinctively know that they are upgrading the BM's social status by being with them. the typical traditional African male has too much pride to consider that a favor and will quickly feel insulted by the idea.
Western BM seem to gain so much from this silent trade happily and giddily. Or maybe its in the back of their minds and that is why they tend to lash out at BW. IDK.
I would never want to be with someone who sees themselves as one of higher status than me, you are forever their inferior. And this is not to say that all whites are this way. I have met quite afew that were extremely down to earth and didn't take their whiteness too seriously. And there are genuine unions of BM and WW though I must admit I have never met one. All the BM I have known to be in these relationships where social climbers. And they always ended up burnt. There is one particular disturbing case I know and I won't go into that. It makes me shudder. All for trying to get up the social scale, but the price is too high.
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Grata, this entire conversation slays me...I have to get into it later...gotta go now, but please continue.
I just noticed something about Cosmo magazine. They rarely show black women and whenver they do its always in a negative. I was on the website and I saw barely any black women in the dating/sex articles, but when it came to this article on cheating and withholding sex there a black woman...what is that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gu3zTaVZRg
I would hate to agree with you. But it looks like that has been one major step forward for BM.
You like to talk out of your ass, don't you? Many BM fought for the very civil rights that you are enjoying.
Those Southern racists were after all not just being crazy paranoid when they thought freeing the BM would let him go after their women.
And how true this seems to be turning out to be.
No, I guess they were just being greedy considering that there are about twice as many White men/Asian Women couples as there are Black men/White Women couples. Considering that there are about more than 3x as many Black men as Asian women, it is even more remarkable that people like you continue to give White men a free pass, yet treat Black men like they have committed some immortal sin. Why is that?
Only about 6% of Black men are with White women. So your claim itself is total BS. Are you that freaking insecure that you need 100% of all Black mens' attention 100% of the time?
And what century do you think this is? White women do not "belong" to White men or anybody except for themselves. So much for your supposed interest in Women's rights. And Black men don't "belong" to Black women. People belong to themselves.
And for the record, the Southern racist used White women's purity as an excuse to use violence against Blacks in order to control them, thus keeping the power and keeping the wealth. It was never about White women. How dare you bring your ignorant miserable foreign ass up into this country and insult the memory of the way too many Black people (men and women) who were victimized by the violence and corruption that existed at the time.
I am mostly critical of Western Black men.
Maybe because you are a bigot. You dare qoute MLK. How about actually following what he said and looking for the content of people's character, instead of always being derogatory towards Black men.
I have been thinking about the high failure rates of divorce between BM and WW.
Oh really? Where are your stats backing this up? Many angry BW always state this on their blogs but I never see them post any official government data or stats backing it up. All they have is some Cosmo article from the late 1990's that gave an ordinal ranking on "the best couples". Cosmo is hardly an authority.
I did find one source, but it was from Steve Sailer's site, but at least it was from an official document.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_022.pdf
I will qoute what it says:
‘‘White/any other’’ couples [which I believe include white-Hispanic as well as white-Asian] have similar chances of marital disruption [40%] as all ‘‘different race’’ couples [41%], which is not surprising as the majority of ‘‘different race’’ couples are ‘‘white/any other’’ pairings. ‘‘Black/any other’’ couples appear to have chances of marital disruption [48%] similar to those for all black couples [47%]"
So Blacks in IR break up at only 1%higher than Black with other Blacks.
If someone has some other stats that show a true breakdown on IR divorce rates please put up or shut up.
I can see why an African male would end up in divorce. See, an African who has grown up in a Black Dominant environment can not get used to being a tool for the WW. Which is what the BM are to WW. WW are trophies to the men and they instinctively know that they are upgrading the BM's social status by being with them. the typical traditional African male has too much pride to consider that a favor and will quickly feel insulted by the idea.
Western BM seem to gain so much from this silent trade happily and giddily. Or maybe its in the back of their minds and that is why they tend to lash out at BW. IDK.
I would never want to be with someone who sees themselves as one of higher status than me, you are forever their inferior. And this is not to say that all whites are this way. I have met quite afew that were extremely down to earth and didn't take their whiteness too seriously. And there are genuine unions of BM and WW though I must admit I have never met one. All the BM I have known to be in these relationships where social climbers. And they always ended up burnt. There is one particular disturbing case I know and I won't go into that. It makes me shudder. All for trying to get up the social scale, but the price is too high.
Guess what? There are many, many, many, same race relationships based on disingenious factors. Why do you seem to only concern yourself with BM/WW relationships? Are you that petrified of the idea of being in sexual competition with White women? You obviously aren't against BW/WM IR as some in this thread have instructed other BW to go to other continents to chase after WM and you have not said one negative word against that. How embarassing does it get for a woman to chase after a man, let alone need a passport for it? Not a single peep out of you against that. When it came to BM/WW, you brought the same old recycled stereotypical garbage.
Like I hinted earlier, it is 2009 and the world is a smaller place. People have access to other people like no other time in history. It isn't just Black and White anymore. All sorts of people are going to get together sexually and matrimonially for reasons good and bad. And it is nobodies business except for the two people involved in the relationship. Mind your own business and worry about who you are going to partner with and maybe you will have less animosity in your life.
If you can't compete or if people don't find you desirable, you should spend more time looking in a mirror or doing some deep soul-searching and less time lashing out at the opposite sex of the same race. No one is born entitled to sexual affection.
Basically Black men have now shown the world that its okay to insult darker skinned women.
One minute Black men are useless pathetic powerless bunch, and magically the next minute we are telling the world what to do and think. Funny how that works, isn't it?
If even that statement were true, Black men can't force the world to continue to go along with it. Since many have gone along with it and continue to do so are you willing to blame those who do in the rest of the world?
Also instead of always blaming and complaining about Black men or anybody else, why don't darker women do something positive about their perceived image?
I am sure people who can't handle the arguments I presented will take the easy way out and fall back on their old standbys of A) branding me a troll or B) accusing me about making it about Black men C) accuse me of being "off-topic" even though I am replying to what is written in the thread
I wouldn't feel compelled to write this if Grata and people who think like her wasn't worst than the southern racist that she mentioned.
I find that any woman that I am interested in who chooses to share her time, resources, and body with me is doing me a favor. And I feel that any woman that I share my time and resources (but not my body as it is easier for most women to find sex) with I am doing a favor.
Rather than putting too much emphasis on "justice" and "equality" and "being right", I try to focus on what will me happy.
Then stop unfairly attacking Black men, and then there would be no need to reply. Aren't there enough problems for Black women without venting over BS? The poster I was replying to is so jaded by her bigotry that she could not be bothered by reality.
the issue is the disrespect of the bw which often goes hand in hand with bw not being considered serious marriage partners. its disrespect, u cannot tell me that society does not devalue bw and a large amount of that lack of worth stems from mistreatment from both black and non-bm that's the issue. also it does seem that people tend to forget the real purpose of the civil rights movement was to encourage love and RESPECT for all people, regardless of the color of their skin..
The purpose of the Civil Rights Movement was to provide people with an opportunity to pursue success in the land of opportunity, and the right to be free to eat, live, work, and associate with who we please without fear of violence or discrimination.
They key word is opportunity. It was not a guarantee of success or being accepted. Whites only had to legally serve Blacks at diners, or go to school with Blacks, or work with them or even live in the same neighborhood if they can afford it, and yes, watch them marry whoever they can attract. No law can make them like it.
Some got with the program and some still don't like it. The law is designed to protect people from those who don't like it and wish to act upon it with violence or illegal malice. That is the essence of the Civil Rights Movement.
Listening to some of the internet BW bloggers whine (not Siditty), you would think that they think that they think that the Civil Rights Movement entitles them to be married to successful men of their choice, be featured in mainstream magazines and movies and to be found sexy by all humanity. The Civil Rights Movement gave and gives you an opportunity to pursue those goals, not a guarantee of them.
can yo utruly say society has upheld those values. How can you say that when so many people, including and especially bw are disregarded/ disrespected because of their skin color. all we want is respect. black men can date/mate/marry whoever they want, but please just give us some respect and we'll respect you. all we want is to be regarded as equals/ given the same respect as other women. its that simple, so don't try and flip this anymore.
No, society has not upheld those values and there is much work to be done.
If you want respect, you won't get it by attacking other people. It will only make people defensive or launch a counter-attack. Like I said in my last post, why don't BW do something positive for themselves instead trying to tear down someone else? If Black women can't or won't do anything positive for themselves, can you really blame the rest of the world if they don't see anything positive in them?
LOL! Truthnotbetold,
Your argument would be interesting if it was fresh. Unfortunately its all been heard from Black male apologists. But I see your point wasn't debate but rather to descend into insults.
"Ignorant miserable foreign ass",
hehehe, why does that sound amusing. I hope you are able to equally "critique" a native BW that says the same.
"And what century do you think this is? White women do not "belong" to White men or anybody except for themselves."
Interesting how viscous black men get in defending their right to be with white women. But will look the other way when BW are being attacked or join in the attack themselves.
You will go to great lengths and if possible you would lynch BW if they tried to stop you. You are proving how important that element was part of the struggle.
"Are you that petrified of the idea of being in sexual competition with White women?"
LOL! Again.I have never felt threatened by the WW's womanhood and never will LOL!. I know its hard for you to grasp. But if you knew my culture you would get it. But I will let you entertain the idea. You seem to get off on it.
"Not a single peep out of you against that. When it came to BM/WW, you brought the same old recycled stereotypical garbage"
Apparently you are oblivious to tthe role of a male in his community. Well maybe things will look up for you in another community. You are of no use to the Black one. Keep it moving.
"It isn't just Black and White anymore. All sorts of people are going to get together sexually and matrimonially for reasons good and bad. And it is nobodies business except for the two people involved in the relationship."
Great. Then we are officially in post racial America. Racism is officially over. Black men who have the race card as their crutch need to get over it and stop whinning whenever something happens to you and you run back to the BC you refuse to support and expect them to march for you. Keep it moving then you have reached your promised land of endless White women, Don't look back, your blackness may follow you.LOL!
Just don't fall back on your blackness when things don't work out for you out there. Its post racial America. God Bless America, racism is over, we no longer have to hear from your sort.
"If you can't compete or if people don't find you desirable, you should spend more time looking in a mirror or doing some deep soul-searching and less time lashing out at the opposite sex of the same race. No one is born entitled to sexual affection"
Any female that is critical of males has to be ugly right? LOL!
Lousy attempt you did right there. Its old and tired. Going after someone's attractivenes or lack thereof is so 70s. Its 2009 remember?
What if I were openly gay and still criticized BM the same way, what would you say? And I would still criticize them the same way. Get used to it, BM are becoming increasingly useless to the BC.
"If even that statement were true, Black men can't force the world to continue to go along with it. Since many have gone along with it and continue to do so are you willing to blame those who do in the rest of the world?"
This is the eternal BM defense. They are never to blame. BM can do no wrong according to the likes of you. WOW! I rather admire men that do some wrong to uplift their communities than those that do nothing and instead blame their women. Utter uselessness.
"Black men or anybody else, why don't darker women do something positive about their perceived image?"
Spoken like a true useless Black man. Confirming that he separates the light from the dark. Dude, do yourself a favor and breed lighter.
"I wouldn't feel compelled to write this if Grata and people who think like her wasn't worst than the southern racist that she mentioned."
Hahaha,
Another common one. Criticize the Black Male and you are a racist. If the BM is becoming useless and it is evident, am I a racist for mentioning it even if by doing so I am just pounding the drum on what ailes my community. And yes like you said, I am foreign. If you ever travelled to a foreign Black country you will quickly see how AA culture is spreading there. SO what ever ailes the AA community has potential of spreading else where in the Black world. So I am not only acting for the sake of only AA women and children who bear the brunt of useless BM, I am also protecting my own. See, its about my own people too. I bet you didn't see that. Get a passport!
Apparently in the 60s BW didn't read the fine print. They were meant to be left sitting at the back of the bus.
"Some got with the program and some still don't like it. The law is designed to protect people from those who don't like it and wish to act upon it with violence or illegal malice. That is the essence of the Civil Rights Movement."
I disagree, the purpose of the civil rights movement was not simply to put some law in the books, the purpose was to foster a sense of equality and to bring people together...also who/where is someone insulting bm, all i see are comments speaking to bm who uphold ww/non-bw as superior to bw...if you dont' do this then it doesn't apply...duh
You and Rocky and the likes stun me. you particular individuals have a connipition if someone even mentions something negative about the behavior of bm, but i have yet to see any of you go after these black women bashers who have consistently degraded/ threatened and harassed black women for months. We've got black men threatening to kill black women and you care about a little comment someone made about bm not respecting bw and uplifting ww. get a life, why don't you and yours go and do something productive and instead of looking after the interest of the poor,opressed black male, go after these ignorant black males who consistently attack black women, do that for a change or shut up.
Your argument would be interesting if it was fresh. Unfortunately its all been heard from Black male apologists. But I see your point wasn't debate but rather to descend into insults.
Debate? I don't kid myself. You are not interested in anything except bashing Black men. No amount of facts or debate will convince you to do otherwise. I can only expose you for what you are.
Interesting how viscous black men get in defending their right to be with white women. But will look the other way when BW are being attacked or join in the attack themselves.
You will go to great lengths and if possible you would lynch BW if they tried to stop you. You are proving how important that element was part of the struggle.And this what you refuse to get. It is not about being with White women or any other women, it is about living your own damn life. It is as if some of you Black women didn't want slavery to end for Black men, you just want control to transfer from White men to yourselves.
Black women are free to live their lives as they please and they do. Just accept responsibility for the choices you make.
Apparently you are oblivious to tthe role of a male in his community. Well maybe things will look up for you in another community. You are of no use to the Black one. Keep it moving.Who the hell put you in charge of what "community" someone should be a part of or not? I will spend time wherever I damn well please without your permission.
I care about the World community. I know that much of it doesn't care about me equally, but that is in their heart, I follow what is in mine. Like I said there are more than 1 type of people on this planet. Some people get it and some don't.
Great. Then we are officially in post racial America. Racism is officially over. Black men who have the race card as their crutch need to get over it and stop whinning whenever something happens to you and you run back to the BC you refuse to support and expect them to march for you. Keep it moving then you have reached your promised land of endless White women, Don't look back, your blackness may follow you.LOL!
Just don't fall back on your blackness when things don't work out for you out there. Its post racial America. God Bless America, racism is over, we no longer have to hear from your sort. Once again, who the hell put you in charge of everyones Blackness? God is in charge of that, not some know-it-all self-entitled African Negress.
Your kind of illogical thinking makes you look like a desperate loser. Just because I am unwilling to subjugate my will to you and worship you, you think that makes me ineligble for justice.
Just as their is plenty of food yet starvation in the world at the same time, there is love and diversity yet, hate and segregation.
Take your head out of your behind. Racism is a HUMAN wrong that should not be tolerated by any fair-minded person. Abusing somebody is a human wrong, expecially if that abuse comes from authority.
I am not sure why is it a "Crime against Black women" to notice the existance of other races when they actually do exist.
This is the eternal BM defense. They are never to blame. BM can do no wrong according to the likes of you. WOW! I rather admire men that do some wrong to uplift their communities than those that do nothing and instead blame their women. Utter uselessness.
You throw the word "useless" around alot. I forget, what the hell do you do for anybody? Who do you uplift? Do you think the world sits around thinking about your ass and how to make your life better? You better wake up. You are not entitled to a good life just because you popped out of your mommy's womb a certain way.
Spoken like a true useless Black man. Confirming that he separates the light from the dark. Dude, do yourself a favor and breed lighter.
I "seperated the light from the dark" only as a response to something you wrote. You wrote this:
Basically Black men have now shown the world that its okay to insult darker skinned women.
I only mentioned it because you brought it up. Your insecurity is showing itself again. Blaming me for relpying to what you wrote.
Replied to like a true loser, at the mere suggestion of doing something positive for themselves, losers lash out at others. And on top of that you go to your main standby of accusing Black men of wanting to be "breed lighter" just because we refuse to kiss Black women's ass. A backhanded way of blaming White women for what you fail to do for yourself.
I am just pounding the drum on what ailes my community. And yes like you said, I am foreign. If you ever travelled to a foreign Black country you will quickly see how AA culture is spreading there. SO what ever ailes the AA community has potential of spreading else where in the Black world. So I am not only acting for the sake of only AA women and children who bear the brunt of useless BM, I am also protecting my own. See, its about my own people too. I bet you didn't see that.
Again if we are "useless", then why the hell is anyone copying us? Are we to blame for others "mindlessness"?
Get a passport!
I have one. When I use it I do my best to enjoy the place that I am visiting rather than sit around and whining about what's wrong with it. I would leave well before I start whining.
How are Black women sitting at the back of the bus? Black women are free to go to college, work in corporations, buy homes, marry and sleep with who they please, have kids out of wedlock, open and own businesses, etc. Black women are free as everyone else to plan their lives as they please.
Of course nothing is guaranteed. Black women are going to have to work hard and sacrifice (just like most other people who were not born with trust funds or great inheritance or luck) to get what they want. What else do you want?
Why do you insist on victimhood?
You can only legislate actions, you can't legislate feelings. You can punish someone for burning a cross on someone elses lawn, but you can't punish someone who is happy at the thought of that burning cross. The same person happy about the burning cross will likely being falsely smiling in the face and shaking hands with Black people the next day, but still retain those feelings. You can't make people change what they feel. Hopefully minds will change but I think some form of prejudice will always exist.
You and Rocky and the likes stun me. you particular individuals have a connipition if someone even mentions something negative about the behavior of bm, but i have yet to see any of you go after these black women bashers who have consistently degraded/ threatened and harassed black women for months. We've got black men threatening to kill black women and you care about a little comment someone made about bm not respecting bw and uplifting ww. get a life, why don't you and yours go and do something productive and instead of looking after the interest of the poor,opressed black male, go after these ignorant black males who consistently attack black women, do that for a change or shut up.
First of all, if someone is threating your safety, please contact your local authorities. I am not the police nor do I have their powers or public trust.
Secondly Rocky and I are only two people with opinions. There are many things in the world that we can focus on. The economy, global warming, terrorism,etc. We choose to focus what we focus on. If you don't like it, then it is what it is.
That is my last comment to truthbetold and the like i'm getting tired of their cowardice and lack care/concern for black women. all they think about is defending black men and wont' do the same for the women of the black race, so please just cut the crap already... black women are and have always been more vulnerable than bm and these predators need to start holding these ignorant, damaged black males responsible and stop babying them...
What am I to say to these damaged Black men when Black women keep on giving these men the time of day? Black women hold the power in all they have to do is avoid as best they can the damaged Black men. "Ray-Ray" and "T-Dog" are getting laid consistently by these women, so by their account what they are doing is working. As long as women keep giving it up to men like that, why would they change?
I'm really getting tired of certain bm thinking that just because we don't "own," eachother in the sense that you are legally bind to me, that we don't have a responsibiity to take care of the members of own culture. every culture understand that u need to take care of your own first, wp get it, asian people, hispanic people, everyone seems to get it except bp. Even if you don't marry into that culture, you're still supposed to do your best to support the people of your culture that is how you build up a society. So bm please you're supposed to be our leaders, just cut this nonsense and stop making excuses.
This is all well and good, but the problem is every time a Black man does this is he gets attacked by the very people who claims they want leadership. The point of having a leader is keeping your mouth closed and following the leader, even if you don't agree with his ideas. Not Black People. More like we want someone to front our own ideas and to be responsible for the aftermath if it doesn't work out.
We say we want leaders and then when somone takes that role then too many act like they know more than the leader. Sad but true, if we had a Black Bill Gates, some Blacks would actually stand around and argue with him about software!
When Blacks do get a good leader, we usually ignore him in favor of some more charismatic loud mouth who knows far less than the leader, but is more entertaining. Blacks don't support our good leaders when we do get one. Probably the main reason why Blacks seem leaderless is anyone who would make a great leader because they are intelligent enough to take the role probably is intelligent enough to not even attempt to.
Most "successful" (success measured by lifestyle) Black people look out for themselves and their immediate family mainly (of course some of them contribute to charities too) not because they are naturally selfish, or they hate being Black or they wish they were White, or because they are sellouts. They do it because it is a better alternative than crashing and burning by letting others take them down with them. Sad for me to say, but too many don't know how to succeed and/or want to succeed and don't want others to succeed either.
WHAT?!! How dare you?? If anything black men want black women to be their slaves and at their beck and call!! How dare you try and project dbr black male fantasies onto black women, that's your hang up,not ours. DBR black men want black women to be their harem and that's it.
And the BM apologist says BW oppress BM. The BM is somehow always the victim ?
"Who the hell put you in charge of what "community" someone should be a part of or not? I will spend time wherever I damn well please without your permission."
You can keep knocking on the White man's door forever but you will never be fully accepted. Get used to it already.
I was just thinking how BM tend to forget the existance of racial barriers when it comes to dating and marrying and temporarily consider the world open yet have the nerve to turn around immediately after and claim racism in other areas of life. Selective whinning i'n it. I think society has done enough in pandering to the BM's cause. You guys are free to date who ever you please without the fear of lynching. So get on with it. Racism is over as regards to you.
"I care about the World community."
Except BW right? The dark skinned ones like you already hinted. LOL! How noble.
"Your kind of illogical thinking makes you look like a desperate loser."
I didn't know this was a competition.
"Just because I am unwilling to subjugate my will to you and worship you, you think that makes me ineligble for justice."
Subjugate? LOL! Apparently you know nothing about community building. Incase you are confused, there are people that marry out of their communities but still contribute to the community. Just because you marry out of the community doesn't mean you can't give back to the same community that raised you. BM generally that marry out seem to be in a rush to get out but run back when good old racism hits them. Don't pretend you don't know what I am talking about.
People like you are quick to declare the BC non existent but when you need their support, you manage to find the "non existent" Community.
Like I said enjoy your community hoping.
Subjugate? To who ? Me? Why does that make you sound ball-less?
Honoring your community and taking care of your own is subjugation, but kissing a non black woman's feet is not? LOL! Talk of slavery Part Deux!
"Racism is a HUMAN wrong that should not be tolerated by any fair-minded person. Abusing somebody is a human wrong, expecially if that abuse comes from authority."
I bet that you would agree that standing by while someone is being abused is wrong too. Right?
So BM standing by while BW are being abused is a human wrong? No?
What is amazing about your defense of the BM and his inability to act in defense of the BW is that it is no different from those who hold power but yet look on while minorities are being abused. Interesting parallels.
So if I, as a BW, I am abused by the system and BM who directly or indirectly participates in my abuse, why should I care if the BM is abused? Hm?
He is not my protector my spouse a contributor and is not even there as a Father. What incentive is there for me as a BW to stand up for the BM. ZERO.
Ofcourse there are BW that are doing the necessary but they are a minority. So like in them days when racism was rife, there were a few non racist whites, but they all got labelled the same thing. The same applies to your kind until you start acting collectively reponsibly, I hope BW continue to withdraw their support because they have nothing to gain in the short or long run.
"I am not sure why is it a "Crime against Black women" to notice the existance of other races when they actually do exist."
Dude, Please don't get too dramatic by reducing the abuse of BW to BM noticing other women.
Noticing other women becomes a crime when you start abusing Black women for looking different. And abandoning your children with them. Geez, do I have to spell it out for you or are you in so much denial thinking that the BW in American is not facing grave challenges?
"I "seperated the light from the dark" only as a response to something you wrote. You wrote this:"
You instructed Dark skinned women specifically to uplift their own image. What image is that may I ask? You obviously already have a concept of an image and that didn't come from me. So you showed your true feelings towards dark skinned women, got caught and are now trying to claim it was pulled out of you. Come on now.
"And on top of that you go to your main standby of accusing Black men of wanting to be "breed lighter" just because we refuse to kiss Black women's ass."
Given your attitude towards dark skinned women that you inadvertently showed, its safe for you to breed lighter. I am simply stating what is obviously at the back of the minds of Black men that have such attitudes towards dark skinned women. Just breed lighter.
" A backhanded way of blaming White women for what you fail to do for yourself."
Oh please cut it out with the White women. They are not the only light women on earth. How come you jumped to defend White women? That is your lot's fantasy, that dark skinned women are seething with envy towards WW. LOL! Not so. I have got news for you, I think White women are beautiful in their own right and unlike many, I am not that bothered that they are on the pedestal. This is majority their people, so their community is sensible enough to give them their due respect. I only envy the protection they get form their community. As far as looks are concerned, I could never want myself any other way. So get over yourself. Man you are drunk on some white stuff.
"Again if we are "useless", then why the hell is anyone copying us? Are we to blame for others "mindlessness"?
Here you have established your self as THE MAN.
If you put a rotten tomato next to a good one. Do you later on blame the good one for getting rotten?
White people could also argue that it is established that racism is wrong. Its not their fault that some mindless people continue to practise it. The mindless people are to blame. Blacks should stop making crazy demands that it ends.
"I have one. When I use it I do my best to enjoy the place that I am visiting rather than sit around and whining about what's wrong with it. I would leave well before I start whining."
Typical dellusional BM. America is bigger that you. Also I am not just a visitor. I have the abiltity to be an American as you are. LOL!. I have the same exact equal rights as you do. Yep. God Bless America. I love this country., its ideals and its promise. I have a problem with certain people especially BM. If I critique them, I am criticizing BM. So when did criticizing the BM become criticizing America ? Man your world must be really small.
But even if I returned to my village, I would still criticize your lot and in various media there. So my location really doesn't matter at the end of the day.
And how much of these achievemnets by the BW have to do with the BM?
If it was up to the BM the Black woman would literally be at the back of the bus.
Recently someone on another blog posed an interesting question. She asked, if Michelle Obama looked like Halle Berry or Vanessa Williams, would we have alot more BM out there defending her dignity? Interesting question. Then I couldn't help but wonder, Had Rosa Parks been a dark skinned BW, would she have been treated with the same dignity and would BM have rallied behind her the way they did?
There were other women doing incredible things that didn't get the same attention. I saw a story of some Dark skinned Black girl who went to a whites only Beach in Manhattan Beach, California protesting segregation and she was arrested. Where is her story?
"Black women are going to have to work hard and sacrifice (just like most other people who were not born with trust funds or great inheritance or luck) to get what they want. What else do you want?"
LOL! @ you a BM telling BW to work hard. LMAO. Are you serious?
That advice is more appropriate for BM. Stop using the racism excuse. Even with racism there is not reason you lot should not being doing alot better than you are.
"Why do you insist on victimhood?"
Again that is a question better for BM. But BW requesting the BM's support is victimhood. But giving that support to others is what? Altruism, buying acceptance or an upper step on the social scale? LOL! Geez I truly underestimated how truly useless (I throw it around alot coz it fits perfectly) some of you are.
This is the same old, same old.
- You write nasty stuff about Black men, someone replies and then Black men get accused of hijacking the thread.
- You reply to none of the actual stuff that I wrote, ignoring everything relevant and creating and defeating your own strawmen. Par for the course.
- You are making all sorts of judgements about me, yet you know nothing about me except that I am a Black man. Your failure to treat people like individuals is your vice, not mines.
- You are the one with a problem with your place in the world and with your complexion, not me. You brought it up and then when I offered you a solution, you once again tried to project your nonsense on me. It is not my or anyone else job to make you feel good about yourself, it is yours.
The man reason you don't feel any support is probably more aligned with how nasty an individual you are more than the color your skin. If I were to meet you in "real life" I would completely ignore your presence as you are completely underserving of any attention.
As useless as you see me, trust me, your are exponentially more useless to me and perhaps the other people you meet. After all, I am not the one trying to guilt and shame the other one about "community" nor am I worried about where your place in the World scheme is as much as you seem to be worried about mine.
I now will leave you to stew in your own misery and need for universal acceptance by everyone on the planet and anger towards Black men for not getting it for you.
I agree with you, Anon 6:15. I believe McConaughey was trying to be complimentary as well but per usual with him, it came out wrong. I remember reading some statement about fascism from him years ago and he made it sound like Hitler was only "flawed". He also said something about dictatorships being good. I thought he was high. It was weird because it came across as him not being very articulate about things of substance. I looked at his comment about black woman as kind of the same thing. He didn't say what he meant to say. It doesn't matter though because he sure is sexy.
As for Gerard Butler, I only think he's "ok". I find him to be like a few other white men who prefer black women to date and mess around with but, would never marry one. He's in a class with Chris Noth and Bill Maher (um, EW.). That is the type of white man I would never date but I have to admit, Gerard certainly is nice to look at. I think the wealthier white men who tend to marry black women are the businessmen who are out of the spotlight. Just look at Evia's blog or Sara's blog.