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Obsidian52 — Mon, 28 Sep 2015 20:58:51 -0000

I know this is 7 years late, but I think placing Tiger on a pedestal was a bad idea.

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FunkyStarkitty50 — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:21:00 -0000

On the social ladder, you will climb as high as you will but even then, your marriage had better work otherwise you end up like Charles Barkley.

I agree 100%. Also OJ Simpson is another example. People like Tiger Woods, however get by in Black and White society with because they don't mouth off to the media the way Charles and OJ do. I have a great deal of respect for Tiger because he carries himself in a respectable manner. You don't hear his name linked with paternity suits and brushes with the law. But I don't think he readily identifies solely the Black community. He has described himself as a "person of color" and it is his right to do so. Many people in the BC have a habit of "claiming" everyone, even if they don't claim the BC. But, being loud, ignorant and arrogant in the form of thinking that you are above the law will get you into a lot of trouble as we have seen with Barkley, Simpson and many others.

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Jamdown — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:29:00 -0000

McWHORTER is not dummy, but racism, which is a state of mind, is not going away. Even countries that have had female presidents (such as India) still have to deal wtih undaunting sexism.

Isms don't go away magically.

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Grata — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:40:00 -0000

"I wonder if Obama had married a White woman, would he be as accepted by the BC. It was difficult enough for him in the beginning because alot of Black people didn't see him as "authentic" enough."

If he had a white wife, he would not be President today. I can't see black women pulling the lever for him. That was very clear from the beginning. There is no way.
And this is where black men hit a huge wall.
You can marry white all you want, but when it comes to political power, you will find it hard getting past the black community. On the social ladder, you will climb as high as you will but even then, your marriage had better work otherwise you end up like Charles Barkley.

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Grata — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:36:00 -0000

"Needless to say, that he married Michelle a dark skinned Black American woman also illustrates that he may have made a conscious effort to incorporate Black even when he could have easily gone non-Black."

I think the choice of a marriage partner reveals which side a biracial person most identifies with. As for Harold Ford, he is pathetic. Look what they did to him with that white girl ad. Reminding him that he is not white. Hopefully his kids will be able to pass.

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Grata — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:40:00 -0000

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FunkyStarkitty50 — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:04:00 -0000

In one of his books, "Dreams From My Father", he talks about dating a wealthy White girl while he was in law school. He talked about how different their backgrounds were and how she didn't understand his commitment to being a servant leader.
I'm not sure if race had anything to do with it, but more to do with the fact that they were going in two different directions. I wonder if Obama had married a White woman, would he be as accepted by the BC. It was difficult enough for him in the beginning because alot of Black people didn't see him as "authentic" enough. Thankfully, many people have come around from this way of thinking. I'm sure that many people see him more as a Black man than a Biracial man. I don't think that he has completely transcended race like this McWhorter wants to portray.

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FunkyStarkitty50 — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:04:00 -0000

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Dark Moon — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:35:00 -0000

I have seen the Obama transition from Black to Biracial. I for one never saw Obama as black. He is what he is. The extent to which this society has taken long to accept that shows the level of sickness.

To his relatives he is Luo because he is his father's son but they would still acknowledge that he is biracial. If it was his mother who was Luo they wouldn't see him as such but rather a biracial child with the blood but he wouldn't carry the clan title.

Only in America would they completely write off his white heritage and later on accept it because he won.

I mostly agree.

Funnily enough I saw him as Black before Bi-racial not only because there is no mistaking the imprint of African physiognomy, (after all, at first glance he could not possibly be categorized as racially ambiguous), but also because he has accepted himself as part of the Black community, even if some cynics saw it as a political expediency to appease the Black vote. Persons like Harold Ford, Jr of Tennessee, who are of Black/multiracial ancestry has worked to whiten himself by emphasizing his White ancestry (even though the relative who he claimed was white denounced him and stated that she was alight skinned Black woman) and has chosen to marry white—which in the end did not help his political aspirations.

Obama on the other hand, never played the sad tragic mulatto who didn’t fit into a black or white world. Nor did he vehemently disavowed either parts of his heritage because of bad experiences. However I think it takes a tremendous amount of courage and fortitude to identify with a group that is seen as the bottom of the barrel even if he has said later that he sees himself as a “mutt”. Needless to say, that he married Michelle a dark skinned Black American woman also illustrates that he may have made a conscious effort to incorporate Black even when he could have easily gone non-Black.

American saw him as Black before he won and I find it ironic that even though Black Americans are constantly belittled and berated for emphasizing the one drop rule as a pathetic attempt to include successful black bi-racials, many whites have always seen bi-racial Blacks who cannot blur their own racial make-up like Hapas, etc as simply Black and have forcibly included him as white because he is successful. If Obama never gotten that far, would he have been able to catch a cab? Would be profiled while driving Black, etc?

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Grata — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:05:00 -0000

"Now that he’s won he is Bi-racial, and now far more white. Somehow his phenomenal success makes him less Black, more White and therefore far more acceptable to most Whites in which we operate under the insidious cultural meme that Black is deficient, immoral and evil."

I have seen the Obama transition from Black to Biracial. I for one never saw Obama as black. He is what he is. The extent to which this society has taken long to accept that shows the level of sickness.

To his relatives he is Luo because he is his father's son but they would still acknowledge that he is biracial. If it was his mother who was Luo they wouldn't see him as such but rather a biracial child with the blood but he wouldn't carry the clan title.

Only in America would they completely write off his white heritage and later on accept it because he won.

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Dark Moon — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:13:00 -0000

Exactly. I am still going to be perceived by some as low income, uneducated, with children out of wedlock based upon my race, even if none of it is true.

I believe it is a no one win situation which is why the old Black adage that you have to be twice as good in order to be viewed as normal to Whites (and even then they question your accomplishments as being done through Affirmative Action) and other Non-blacks certainly ring true. As has been noted before, when Barak was running those two years he was simply Black and his background was exoticized and scrutinized as not wholly American. Now that he’s won he is Bi-racial, and now far more white. Somehow his phenomenal success makes him less Black, more White and therefore far more acceptable to most Whites in which we operate under the insidious cultural meme that Black is deficient, immoral and evil.

I believe most non-Blacks ( and Blacks themselves to a certain extent based on the nihilism and devastation that is occurring within our community—field negro made a good post about this) see Black, unfortunately, as a conquered people, therefore we must accept the images, thoughts and beliefs that are foisted on us. To rebel against this and to individualize one's identity and how one wishes Black culture to be is an anathema—a treason. McWhorter and his ilk, do believe and invest in the negative images because of whatever they experienced from Blacks and Whites in their youth and beyond. The same way some Black men and women justify their dating or mating choices because of those bad short sighted Black people, so too has Mc Whorter who is still the angry nerdy kid who was demoralized by “anti-intellectual” Blacks in his youth and he is merely extrapolating on his experience as proof positive that Whites and others may well be right. Justification and making a profit is survival of the fittest mechanism in a society that can never see you as anything but an Other--outside their pristine reality.

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Seattle Slim — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:45:00 -0000

I second brohammas. This is very dangerous rhetoric. John McWhorter is a moron who got his ass handed to him for his latest book by I think it was the LA times. I don't understand how someone can proclaim that racism is OVER when it's been around for centuries, aye, millenia. I love Barack Obama, but he is not Jesus. He does not have the ability to end racism.

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Grata — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:49:00 -0000

"The vast majority of black Americans problems are self-inflicted. I think that was John's point...and he is right on."

Spoken like a true racist. Even the whites would agree you soundlike a racist. I bet you are not even really white but think the more you degrade blacks the whiter you become.
You are one of those French, Spanish Indian, German whatevers descended from some faked up European Royals that have a chip on their shoulder because your blood is really tainted but are managing to pass off as white.

Here is a tip for you, fly to a Norwegian Village, there are many blond blue eyed girls doing nothing but milking cows and yoddling and they are dying to come to America. They would give you beautiful white kids.

Atleast your kids will then feel a little more white and won't need to certify their humanity by attacking blacks.

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Grata — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:41:00 -0000

"Mexicans in Texas have the stereotype of typically hate black people. I can concur this is happened to me on occasion, in particular when I dated a half white/half hispanic guy. His mother HATED the fact he was dating a black girl."

Don't you know that for them you are supposed to marry lighter? I see it with my workmates. The dark Mexicans have lighter children.

You are supposed to brighten up. You know if I had another life and had to choose what race to come back as, I would like to come back as a darker black, just to piss off people real good.

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Siditty — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:37:00 -0000

So exactly how am I racist? Is it because I point out racism?

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Anonymous — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:15:00 -0000

Racism still exists. However, it is now black Americans who are the biggest racists in America, youbeing one of them Siditty. The vast majority of black Americans problems are self-inflicted. I think that was John's point...and he is right on.

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Siditty — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:41:00 -0000

Eric the link is there, but I make it hard to see the link with my new colors, I will fix that. Sorry.

http://www.forbes.com/2008/...

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LOL! Also we define racism differently. Whites tend to think of racism as the KKK fervent type.
For blacks, a simple act like clutching your purse when you see me makes you a racist.

Most blacks I know believe whites are inherently racist. Why would anyone think this? I think they reason is that one being born white, in a white dominant society and enjoying white privilage has to see a black person as lesser than them therefore making them inherently racist.

Exactly Grata, I think whites and blacks see racism differently.

And their argment is that since they are minorities too , they can't be racist.

I think the most openly racist people I have met have been folks who aren't white. Mexicans in Texas have the stereotype of typically hate black people. I can concur this is happened to me on occasion, in particular when I dated a half white/half hispanic guy. His mother HATED the fact he was dating a black girl.

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I think that it's a positive step in race relations, but we still have a very long way to go. Racism does exist--it may not be as blatant, but it is insane to think that it just evaporated because of Barack Obama.

Perfectly well stated. That is exactly how I feel.

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I'm a bored insomniac Lit major on winter break and I just happened to stumble across your blog today. Your writing style is clear and concise; I've enjoyed reading your posts.

And I had to drop a comment about that--do people actually say that black people are all in jail and are savage people? I'm really sorry. I know that I don't exactly have the authority to apologize for the actions of anyone else simply because they share my relative lack of skin pigmentation, but I do feel sorry that you've had to listen to that crap. :-P

Welcome Kat to the blog. You don't have to atone for the crazy folks who send me emails. If it makes you feel any better, I get emails and comments from black people who think I am a sell out appeasing the white man as well :) Crazy comes in all hues.

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His stereotypical beliefs and characterization of Black people is a person conflicted, because he does come from a privileged background that in many ways has been leap years ahead of Obama and bi-racial blacks such as him are always angry at the poor unwashed fucked up Black people that are bringing down his status and will continue to tarnish his accomplishments because Whites and other non-blacks will always question whether he rightfully earned it.

Darkmoon,

Great point. Growing up "upper middle class" I felt this way when white kids would ask what it was like to live in the ghetto or if I was in a gang. You want to prove to people you aren't like their perceptions, that you are different. I personally got over that mindset quickly when I realized the people who ask those type of questions will have that thought process, regardless of the facts or the examples of blacks presented to them in real life.

I think for some to feel superior they have to believe others are inferior, and McWhorter seems to be one of those folks.

Naturally I advocate for Blacks helping themselves and each other and that there is a lot more that we can do, but it is difficult when every single race sees you as walking pathology no matter how great your accomplishments

Exactly. I am still going to be perceived by some as low income, uneducated, with children out of wedlock based upon my race, even if none of it is true.

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Grata — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:49:00 -0000