I think those white people out there that believe Hispanics & Asians are closer to white need to educate themselves. If you study or know history/genealogy one would know that despite some Hispanics having light skin and East Asians having fair skin they're not close to white.
The lady obviously is part of the percentage of white Americans that have black/African ancestry. About 1/3 of American whites have black in them. And it would be more if it wasn't for the influx of immigrants that came to this country in the 20's/30's. Many white Americans are under the impression that they're "pure".
That reminds me of the movie Lost Boundaries. Where the biracial (white/black) family was passing for white and living the life of what whites where living. And one day everyone found out that they where "negro" even though they didn't look it. They had to break off friendships with their white friends etc... That biracial family did not look black. They just looked like white people but that just happen to have some black ancestry. All those white people that acted like they was so disgusted because they was mixed with black probably didn't realize they where likely mixed too.
As for your question. No whiteness is not devalued when it's mixed with other races. In fact it's elevated. I don't know how many times I've seen whites make a big deal over an "Eurasian" child. Some even classify the child as white even though they look Asian. I don't know about white/Hispanic because where I live most Hispanics & whites don't hang together let alone have kids. But I'm sure those that do don't see white mix with Hispanic and devalue it. Many whites think "black blood" is some how tainted. And even if it's mixed with white it doesn't matter. That's why the One Drop Rule continues to exist. "Black blood" = bad has been in breaded in many people for centuries. It would take and enlightened person to believe otherwise.
thelady
· 1 year ago
on Jon & Kate plus 8 (on TLC) he is Korean and she is white, somebody wrote in to ask if she minds that her children don't look like here (aka white). She said she doesn't mind because she thinks Korean people are beautiful. The took the twins to see an agent, the agent referred to them as Asian even though they are visibly biracial. It seems that with the way race is constructed in US culture your children will be considered biracial or minority. They will never be white.
はろにか
· 1 year ago
I remember when this book came out. I used to be a big Delinsky fan when I was younger. Family Tree touched on a fear that many whites won't admit to, but she sold a shitload of books to a slew of them (white women mainly).
I remember hearing about white-washing. Which this book basically touches on also.
Genetics is a bitch, because that 1/4 black blood can fuck up the whole gene pool! (to a white person)
As for the question, since it is something I never really had to confront or think about, I think for some it is, but I wonder if it is the wealthy (upper class) that worry about it much. I'm not talking about the racists that live in trailer, but the ones that actually want to make sure their "lineage" is "pure".
The book in the end, I don't know if anyone has read it already, but let's just say it is not as clear cut as you would assume.
Siditty
· 1 year ago
I think those white people out there that believe Hispanics & Asians are closer to white need to educate themselves.
I think so too, but many white people feel that hispanics and asians are able to assimilate into white culture, so if a white person has to "lower themselves" to date or marry outside the race, these races are their best bets.
About 1/3 of American whites have black in them. And it would be more if it wasn't for the influx of immigrants that came to this country in the 20's/30's.
Most whites with mixed ancestry don't know or don't want to know they are mixed.
Siditty
· 1 year ago
Jon is half korean, half white, so their children are only a quarter, not half asian. His asian ancestry is very strong. I work with a half asian half white woman and she is married to a white man and their kids look like they are half asian half white, when in reality they are only a quarter asian as well.
Kat
· 1 year ago
I don't know about white/Hispanic because where I live most Hispanics & whites don't hang together let alone have kids. But I'm sure those that do don't see white mix with Hispanic and devalue it. *****************
We have to remember. Hispanic is NOT a race but an ethnic/cultural identification. There are white, black, indian, & mixed hispanics.
thelady
· 1 year ago
so Jon and Kate's children are only 1/4 Korean yet people still refer to them as Asian proving once again that American's construction of race is wacky
pikacute
· 1 year ago
Am I the only person who doesn't matter whether or not a child looks like me. If you're shallow enough to be concerned upset about your child have a dark skin tone or not looking like you then you probably don't need kids. A real parent wants to know if they're kid is healthy or not, not will it look more black than white.
tnt5150
· 1 year ago
What white people are really afraid of (and the reason the one drop rule still exist) is not being able to tell if a white person is "mixed" with something else.
My daugther is biethinc (black & white) and you should hear some of the crap that comes out of white folks mouths. Mind you, I am a dark skinned black woman and my daugther basically looks white. The will come up with anything, any explination to assure themselves that she is NOT mine.
The best is not being asked but being told how wonderful of me that i adopted her...LMAO (Let me just say that if I were going to adopt a child i would adopt a child of color...lord knows many of htem need homes, and when was the last time you saw a black person adopt a white child??)
Bottome line is they are afraid becasue they can't tell that she is black and that messes them up. The thought that their son could bring her home some day or they could be friend her and have no idea that her mother is black (that she is black)freaks the hell out of them!!
Anonymous
· 1 year ago
I was shocked to hear my retirement aged white friend say she was hurt when her son married an Asian woman. She said she felt initially that he had rejected his culture, family, parents. Silly me, but I thought white people often saw Asians as analogous to themselves.
Ultimately I think the kids not being raised Christian was her biggest worry. It goes to show that even the races perceived as closer to white aren't close enough for everyone.
chimeziem
· 1 year ago
i know this has absolutely nothing to do with your current post, but i read on one of your earlier ones that you bought colored contacts from Big T...girl what was wrong with you?!?!?! you should have known better than to get anything that's potentially life-threatening from there, LOL!
*it's great to read a blog from someone in the dallas area!
macon d
· 1 year ago
The question at the end of your post is oddly stated--I don't know if whiteness is "devalued" through mixing. Whiteness itself is either valued or not valued--more the former than the latter. A person does often become less valued if they're discovered to be mixed, of course, but that doesn't devalue the whiteness itself, does it?
Anyway, I think people who are known to have white blood mixed with black are more often devalued compared to those of other mixes. Just think of how often whites like to claim Native American ancestors, compared to how very rarely they claim what is much more common, black ancestors.
I also think that in some social circles, some mixed kids are even more valued than plain old white kids, especially white-and-Asian kids.
By the way, what about this video? "Wonderful black baby with blue eyes." "Wonderful"? Why? Not that I'm saying this baby isn't wonderful. I'm just wondering why the poster of the video would say so, and why it's such a popular video--over a million views is pretty high on YouTube.
Wizzy Jr
· 1 year ago
Truth be told, EVERYBODY on this earth is mixed with SOME damn thing. Take a good look at your family tree to see what I mean. Nobody is pure white, Pure black, pure NUFFIN'. Believe it, Recieve it and get over it.
Siditty
· 1 year ago
As for the question, since it is something I never really had to confront or think about, I think for some it is, but I wonder if it is the wealthy (upper class) that worry about it much. I'm not talking about the racists that live in trailer, but the ones that actually want to make sure their "lineage" is "pure".
They think about it, but they don't vocalize it like the trailer park folks.
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We have to remember. Hispanic is NOT a race but an ethnic/cultural identification. There are white, black, indian, & mixed hispanics.
Here in Texas we have the indian hispanics, and so many claim to be 100% pure spaniard or a strong mix of both, even though most are overwhelmingly indian.
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so Jon and Kate's children are only 1/4 Korean yet people still refer to them as Asian proving once again that American's construction of race is wacky
Exactly. This is why I don't buy the asian and hispanic folks being considered more acceptable.
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Am I the only person who doesn't matter whether or not a child looks like me. If you're shallow enough to be concerned upset about your child have a dark skin tone or not looking like you then you probably don't need kids. A real parent wants to know if they're kid is healthy or not, not will it look more black than white.
I definitely agree. Your child's skin tone, hair color, and eye color shouldn't even be a concern, especially if you are seeking out or are dating IR. You need to worry about the health of the baby, everything else is secondary.
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What white people are really afraid of (and the reason the one drop rule still exist) is not being able to tell if a white person is "mixed" with something else.
Very true. I also love how people make up just complete BS to justify why your daughter couldn't be yours LOL
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I was shocked to hear my retirement aged white friend say she was hurt when her son married an Asian woman. She said she felt initially that he had rejected his culture, family, parents. Silly me, but I thought white people often saw Asians as analogous to themselves.
I always thought the same as it seems there is a rush to get an asian chick, so many white men tend to seek them out. I thought they were seen as equals, maybe this is a white woman thing? Maybe white women feel threatened by asian women?
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i know this has absolutely nothing to do with your current post, but i read on one of your earlier ones that you bought colored contacts from Big T...girl what was wrong with you?!?!?! you should have known better than to get anything that's potentially life-threatening from there, LOL!
Hey Dallasite!!!!!! Yeah my husband already hates colored contacts and I wanted to try them out as I never had before. My cousin in I chipped in and got a dea of 2/$20 each. I trusted she got her there when she is in town, I need to get mine from there too. Trusting someone from East Texas about any type of shopping in Dallas can be a mistake. She lives in Marshall, not exactly a shopping Mecca.
Yeah, my husband banned me from there because of that shooting that happened there. He felt that was his proof that Big T Bazaar can be dangerous. Before that, after the color contact incident, he demanded I go with him instead of by myself or with others because I don't know how to shop appropriately and can't be trusted to make good decisions (color contacts)
Siditty
· 1 year ago
The question at the end of your post is oddly stated--I don't know if whiteness is "devalued" through mixing. Whiteness itself is either valued or not valued--more the former than the latter. A person does often become less valued if they're discovered to be mixed, of course, but that doesn't devalue the whiteness itself, does it?
I guess I am asking if racial purity is important, and if white people do dare to mix with other races, is the level of being devalued dependent upon the race they dare to mix with?
Anyway, I think people who are known to have white blood mixed with black are more often devalued compared to those of other mixes. Just think of how often whites like to claim Native American ancestors, compared to how very rarely they claim what is much more common, black ancestors.
I agree. Me and my husband have this joke about white people. Per all white people who claim to be mixed with Native American, they are always related to chiefs or princesses of a tribe, they are never "common" native americans. There also tends to be this trend that all white people claim to be related to someone famous or to royalty. They can't ever be descendants of blacksmiths, candle makers, or common folks. Only kings, queens, and feudal lords.
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Truth be told, EVERYBODY on this earth is mixed with SOME damn thing. Take a good look at your family tree to see what I mean. Nobody is pure white, Pure black, pure NUFFIN'. Believe it, Recieve it and get over it.
Very true, we are all mixed, but for some keeping racially pure, or ensuring their offspring "look like them" is important, even though I figure if you had a child with a black person, the child would look somewhat like you or obtain at least some of your features, as with most children, regardless of race.
chimeziem
· 1 year ago
lol, well he was right about the contacts...=o) yeah, i wasn't allowed to go to Big T for a long while, then i went back during my senior year of high school...that was definitely the last time! my friends and i got hit on by this old dude and he almost didn't let us get into the car...ewwwwwwwww/never ever again.
Siditty
· 1 year ago
Oh in terms of the blue eyed baby, I think it freaks out people that black children can have "white features". I once argued with a person that black people can have blue or green eyes even if both parents have brown eyes, and they told me I was lying and that most black people wear contacts and I was confused LOL
I don't know exactly why that is "wonderful", but within the black community to have eyes like that is something to be exalted, light eyes, light skin, and "good hair" are highly valued within the black community.
Siditty
· 1 year ago
Oh in terms of the blue eyed baby, I think it freaks out people that black children can have "white features". I once argued with a person that black people can have blue or green eyes even if both parents have brown eyes, and they told me I was lying and that most black people wear contacts and I was confused LOL
I don't know exactly why that is "wonderful", but within the black community to have eyes like that is something to be exalted, light eyes, light skin, and "good hair" are highly valued within the black community.
John
· 1 year ago
First of all, Hispanic isn't a race. Hispanic are a mixture of white and Indigenous and sometimes black. Hispanic/Latino is a culture. A Hispanic can be of any race. Second of all, 1/3 of white Americans do not have black blood. Most white Americans came here in the 20th century. Finally, what is so bad with white people wanting to have kids that look like them? What's wrong with wanting to preserve your heritage? This is another one of your anti-white posts.
Suesue
· 1 year ago
Genetics is fascinating, but honestly, I HATE having to study it. So tedious!
Now: True cases, I know of:
1) Black woman and White man both have white daughter. The girl looks like her black mother though but she is white !NOT ALBINO. She's not ugly at all. Very pretty infact.
2) Two close friends: One is half Japanese/half Greek and another is half Korean/half Greek. The 1st looks very european from afar but up close you can see she is asian, but can tell she is mixed. My Mum thinks she looks more like her Dad who is Greek ! Second one doesn't looked as mixed but i could tell he was when i looked at his hair. IT WAS definately greek hair :-P.
3) A white girl with blonde hair at Uni recently told me her grandmother was Jamaican. As in as black as me Jamacian. I didn't believe her. She said everytime she went on holiday in Jamaica no one would believe they were related. Her mother is half black and father is white british...But she looks COMPLETELY CAUCASIAN ...if she hadn't told, no one would have known.
4) My old french teacher, who i didn't like but he liked...Pitied me i should say. Married a Rwandan woman. His daughter looks more like him that his wife. Same nose and smile !
It's all down to chance !!! Expect the unexpected. Even if outwardly both parties look like one thing. Genetics is all about diversity. Diversity=survival of the fittest=Darwin etc etc...
Honestly, the human race will only stand together when we are invaded by aliens, we are constantly trying to segregate ourselves into groups and tribes. There's no shade of grey i guess...
Siditty
· 1 year ago
Second of all, 1/3 of white Americans do not have black blood.
Of course not, the black people just got mixed european blood by osmosis. But you can check this story out to see where that number came from.
From the story:
Fine has a point. For centuries, America has been less a racial melting pot and more a stew, where different communities bump up against each other, but keep mostly to themselves. Yet, as millions of Americans take DNA tests, they are discovering a surprising truth: America's strict racial lines are, in fact, blurred. One-third of white Americans, according to some tests, will possess between two and 20 per cent African genes. The majority of black Americans have some European ancestors.
Finally, what is so bad with white people wanting to have kids that look like them? What's wrong with wanting to preserve your heritage? This is another one of your anti-white posts.
Why would a child that is yours NOT look like you? Why would your heritage be diminished if you had a mixed race child? Your child would have two heritages, not lose one over the other, unless you subscribe to the one drop rule yourself.
Yes all my posts are anti-white. To discuss race relations in America is very anti-white.
Suesue
· 1 year ago
Has anyone ever seen an asian with natural blonde hair and blue eyes...I have in TESCOs, in the UK. The mother was asian and the father was white...but he had dark hair...hmmm.....
I'm pretty much pure African Black. YAY :-D !!!
I know that Vanessa Williams is black but she has blue eyes and BOTH her parents are black. This is due to her lineage and past right ?
This is why genetics is cool !
Anonymous
· 1 year ago
Here's an old article from Slate magazine that talks about black/white ancestry. The Real American Love Story Why America is a lot less white than it looks.
http://slate.msn.com/id/35817/
Chrissy
Siditty
· 1 year ago
Has anyone ever seen an asian with natural blonde hair and blue eyes...I have in TESCOs, in the UK. The mother was asian and the father was white...but he had dark hair...hmmm.....
When I was a kid, I lived down the street from a couple where the father was white and the mother was Korean. Their first child was a red head with green eyes, his coloring and the shape of his eyes were the only indication he was asian, if I didn't know his parents, I would imagine he was mixed with something, but not asian. The younger two kids looked overwhelmingly asian.
I know that Vanessa Williams is black but she has blue eyes and BOTH her parents are black. This is due to her lineage and past right ?
Her parents are light skinned with blue eyes as well. They are obviously of mixed ancestry, but the one drop rule deems them black, so that is why she is known as the first black Miss America.
thelady
· 1 year ago
blonde hair and blue eyes are found outside of European heritage. There are Aboriginals (New Zealand, Australian) with these traits and brown skin.
lormarie
· 1 year ago
Asian genes are very strong...sometimes even stronger than black genes. Has anyone ever seen Victoria Rowell's daughter? Adriana Lima? Ertha Kitt's daughter? My point is that black "visibility" seems to disappear once it hits the 25% (1/4) mark. Asian genes are still quite visible even at that point.
212542
· 1 year ago
"Has anyone ever seen Victoria Rowell's daughter?....My point is black "visibility" seems to disappear once it hits the 25% (1/4) mark."
Very true! Have you seen Halle Berry's daughter? She looks very tanned for a child that suppose to be only 25% black. And she probably will only get darker considering mix children tend to get darker as they get older. My theory is Halle Berry's daughter is tanned like that is because either Gabriel Aubry isn't as white as we think lol, or Halle Berry is a little more black then we think. (Halle's mom probably has some black ancestry).
Grata
· 1 year ago
It still boggles my mind how white Americans take their whiteness so seriouly. But I guess this is the way of things here.
Whenever I hear a white American refer to themselves with all seriousness as white, as if that is a solid identity, I get wary. It shows a lack of depth with the person.
はろにか
· 1 year ago
Suesue said: "Honestly, the human race will only stand together when we are invaded by aliens, we are constantly trying to segregate ourselves into groups and tribes"
I'm inclined to believe this....
John
· 1 year ago
"Why would a child that is yours NOT look like you? Why would your heritage be diminished if you had a mixed race child?"
Most Bi-racial kids look more black than white. Black traits are dominant. White traits are more recessive. 75% of Bi-racial kids consider themselves black and they don't embrace their white side. Alicia doesn't embrace her Italian heritage and Halle doesn't embrace her Irish side. Also, they don't really look like their white mothers. I think it's self-annihilation for a white person to have children with black people. It's interesting that Berry and keys makes such a big deal about being black. They were raised by their white mothers who were beaten and abandoned by their black fathers. Clearly, Berry, Keys have calculated that it is more advantageous for their careers to identify with the man who abandoned them rather than the woman who raised her. White people should use this as an example of what will happen to you if you marry outside your race. Your children will abandon you.
No where in that article does it say that 1/3 of white American have black blood. Of course most Black American have white blood, but the majority of white people came here after slavery. They way you talk about race is anti-white because you only look at race from one point of view. I think it is very arrogant and condescending for you to proclaim that you know how white people feel or think about certain issues. White people are not a monolithic group that all act and think the same way.
Beautifully.Conjured.Up
· 1 year ago
John is on your page too!!!
I swear, almost everyone I know of has had John come to their page and talk about Whites and how anti-white we are. Sometimes he changes his name, but his messages are the same. He obviously has some issues and needs to see Dr. Phil or someone of the like.
Beautifully.Conjured.Up
· 1 year ago
I can't speak for whites, but I know in my family, we realize we're all mixed with different races. Recently my family did a geaneology project, and we weren't shocked that there was racial mixing, butwe were surprised at the amount of racial mixing that went on in our history...it was shocking, but it made sense. So many of my family members range in skin tones, eye colors, hair colors, hair textures, body shapes, etc., and it was hard to explain because we didn't know our family history was so heavily "diluted" with other races...until now.
Due to this, it showed me how related Americans are, yet we wish to stay divided...if we only knew and/or chose to face the reality.
212542
· 1 year ago
"...but the majority of white people came here after slavery."
LOL, keep telling yourself that. If you say enough you will believe it.
"75% of Bi-racial kids consider black and they don't embrace their white side"
They consider themselves black because they live in a country that doesn't care or acknowledge (for the most part) that their mixed. You think the media is going to start calling them biracial just because they say so? Despite Tiger Woods efforts with the "Caublasian" term most whites still view him as black.
Kat
· 1 year ago
@John
*Yawn*
Keep deluding yourself.
simone
· 1 year ago
It still boggles my mind how white Americans take their whiteness so seriouly. But I guess this is the way of things here.
Whenever I hear a white American refer to themselves with all seriousness as white, as if that is a solid identity, I get wary. It shows a lack of depth with the person.
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I know Grata. I guess it goes with being raised in a culture where you are thought to be superior to everyone else. It truly shows lack of depth when you think the color of your skin makes you inherently better. It all boils down to character.At least to me. Color does not give you character. I mean I like white guys but it is not because I think their skin color makes them better people. When I see a tall white guy with blue or green eyes and dark hair it drives me crazy. I am not like "ooooh white skin, hot." Unfortunately alot of different cultures think it for white people, even if some white people don't think that way about themselves. Some ofthose cultures place alot of value on being white and give the power to that whole white skin is better concept. Sad and shallow.
Siditty
· 1 year ago
Most Bi-racial kids look more black than white. Black traits are dominant. White traits are more recessive. 75% of Bi-racial kids consider themselves black and they don't embrace their white side.
Your concept of what black looks like is altered due to the one drop rule implemented. Many biracial people identify with their black side because their white side rejects them. If you create a child, more than likely it will look like you, regardless or not if the coloring is different. It shows me how racist you are to make such ignorant assumptions.
Also, they don't really look like their white mothers.
These two represent all biracial people. Does Tom Metzger and David Duke represent you?
. I think it's self-annihilation for a white person to have children with black people.
You are about 400 years too late to worry about self-annihilation and to me unwarranted as with all the mixing in this country, many white people reject or don't know about their "mixed" ancestry, like you did when you refuted what was said about many whites in America being mixed.
White people should use this as an example of what will happen to you if you marry outside your race. Your children will abandon you.
Yes that is exactly what will happen. That is what always happens ::rolls eyes at stupidity::
No where in that article does it say that 1/3 of white American have black blood. Of course most Black American have white blood, but the majority of white people came here after slavery. They way you talk about race is anti-white because you only look at race from one point of view
OK Let me go back to the article:
Fine has a point. For centuries, America has been less a racial melting pot and more a stew, where different communities bump up against each other, but keep mostly to themselves. Yet, as millions of Americans take DNA tests, they are discovering a surprising truth: America's strict racial lines are, in fact, blurred. One-third of white Americans, according to some tests, will possess between two and 20 per cent African genes.The majority of black Americans have some European ancestors.
They way you talk about race is anti-white because you only look at race from one point of view. I think it is very arrogant and condescending for you to proclaim that you know how white people feel or think about certain issues. White people are not a monolithic group that all act and think the same way.
Much like the blacks and biracials you just stereotyped aren't a monolithic group that all act and think the same way. You used Alicia Keys and Halle Berry as proof of how biracial people think and act and proof of how horrible race mixing is. Two people make up the whole group? How is that any different? You claim I am anti white because I look at things from the perspective of a black woman. I am a black woman. I am a black woman who was raised in predominantly white areas for most of my life and I was able to interact and assimilate to white people way more than people who looked like me as a result for many years of my life. That is the perspective I bring, how many black people do you actually know outside of work that you interact with? Looking at your warped beliefs, not many. I live with a white man, have white family, and probably interact with more white people on a daily basis than yourself. I am not coming into MY OPINIONS completely blind, much like you seem to be.
Siditty
· 1 year ago
I swear, almost everyone I know of has had John come to their page and talk about Whites and how anti-white we are. Sometimes he changes his name, but his messages are the same. He obviously has some issues and needs to see Dr. Phil or someone of the like.
For real. This man is crazy and irrational.
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They consider themselves black because they live in a country that doesn't care or acknowledge (for the most part) that their mixed. You think the media is going to start calling them biracial just because they say so? Despite Tiger Woods efforts with the "Caublasian" term most whites still view him as black.
EXACTLY, John fails to acknowledge this.
John
· 1 year ago
Listen, blacks as a whole are scum. There is no Newton, Darwin, etc in black hisory. Blacks commit violent felonies at a rate ten times that of whites, and decidedly prefer white victims. Despite the enormous publicity given to any white- on- black felony, a black is on average about twenty- five times more likely to kill a white than vice- versa.
There was no white racism in Africa during the millennia that blacks have dominated that continent, yet the mean IQ of African blacks is considerably lower than that of American blacks. Again contradicting conventional wisdom, Race crunches some more numbers to show that the 100,000+ years during which Africans and Eurasians evolved apart was enough to permit the African/ Caucasoid divergence.
No sub- Saharan society has ever developed mathematics, a written language, formal educational institutions, or the wheel, while white and Asian societies have done so many times. Once again, attribution of this failure to culture is circular, begging as it does the question of why whites and Asians, but not blacks, built cultures in which these indicia of civilization appeared.
Yanmommasaid
· 1 year ago
John/Joshua/Jovent- Just wondering why all the Stormfront Lite folks who come up from the sewer around here pick J aliases. And why do they not have anything better to do with their time? I mean since white folks are so superior and all, you'd think they'd have more productive uses of their time and would recognize the folly of trying to educate us po little ol colored folk about our tiny little IQ's and whatnot. Is this a stress-relief mechanism for dealing with the fact that the next president is biracial? Man, that must burn. ___________ Siditty,
I think you should post a nice collage of black/white biracial babies pics for the Js viewing pleasure.
Siditty
· 1 year ago
One of the oldest mathematical objects found, the Lebombo bone was found in Swaziland, not Europe or Asia. The Ishango bone was found in Uganda. In case you don't know, the Ishango Bone is the oldest table of prime numbers. The Yoruba came up with base 20 concept, not Europeans or Asians. I won't even talk about Egypt, which is in Africa, not Europe or Asia.
In terms of civilizations, have you ever heard of Mauretania? Or Nubia/Kush? Numidia? Mali? Songhai? Ghana? Axum? Of course not, your mind couldn't fathom ancient African civilizations.
4% of black people commit crime. Not 96% of black people. Also note we make up 13% of the America population, whites make up over 60%, sheer numbers alone and common sense should tell you for a white person to commit a crime against a black person, they have to actively seek them. The people who carjacked my mother 5 years ago, were two white teen boys, do all white teen boys carjack middle age black women who live in suburbia? Use your facts and figures that have made you determine blacks are "scum" and use some common sense.
I guess you never once thought that the history we learned could be biased and not have relevant information that discusses what us lowly black people have accomplished. You never once realized us unintelligent negros don't subscribe well to IQ tests that are based upon European and white education systems, and not African. Just FYI, I have an IQ higher than 85% of the American populations regardless of race, my brother has an IQ higher than 96% of the American population. We are both black, and I am sure it isn't just black people bringing down America's education system as it continues to lag behind other countries. We have high IQ, not because we are just that much smarter, but we have been exposed to an education system that many people in America aren't afforded and two parents with Master's degrees who place a high emphasis on education.
I guess Tom Metzger and David Duke do represent you. The problem with people like you, are you are ignorant and uneducated, and when presented with information that proves just how wrong you are, you try to deflect to something else, but unfortunately for you, you managed to find black people who aren't the "scum" you think they are, and they can actually read and are probably more educated than you are. It is obvious we are more intelligent than you.
Beautifully.Conjured.Up
· 1 year ago
Once again, this "John" guy posted the same thing on my blog, and once again, I deleted it.
It's people like this pitiful imbecile that makes it so hard for Americans as a whole to begin to have an uninhibited, ideology of the truth and learn to respect it. Seriously, what good does it do for imbeciles to react this way? Huh, John (if that's your real name)? Let's have a "tell us why you mad son" moment, and express what's really going on in that ill mind of yours.
Grata
· 1 year ago
Oh lawdy! The Storm Fronters are here too. LOL! I actually in a twisted way feel honored by these guys' attention. Who knew that little worthless me we take their time.
"75% of Bi-racial kids consider themselves black and they don't embrace their white side".
Maybe its because they get exposed to white racism and they don't want to be part of it. If the whites they are around look down on black people while these kids are part black, they will naturally resent them.
Grata
· 1 year ago
"I mean I like white guys but it is not because I think their skin color makes them better people. When I see a tall white guy with blue or green eyes and dark hair it drives me crazy."
If it was simply about skin color, I could never be attracted to a white person. I am more attracted to the temperament that is generally different from blacks. But I have learnt the the American white temperament is different from the European whites and I find it less attractive. After being around American whites, a part of my attraction has died and now I am left with looking at them simply by their skin color and there is nothing there.
Grata
· 1 year ago
"No sub- Saharan society has ever developed mathematics, a written language, formal educational institutions, or the wheel, while white and Asian societies have done so many times. Once again, attribution of this failure to culture is circular, begging as it does the question of why whites and Asians, but not blacks, built cultures in which these indicia of civilization appeared".
John,
HAHAHAHAHAH! And your point is? What are you trying to sell here? That blacks are inferior and you superior? If that is the case, so what? Go celebrate your superiority, why do you need to come and talk to our lowly selves. Why don't you stick around your superior kind?
Actually I think I know why you are here. You are attempting to convince us that we are inferior and you superior so we can uphold you. Without us holding you up as superior, you are nothing really because you yourself don't believe in your superiority. You only feel it when someone you deem inferior thinks of you as superior. Tough luck for you. The blacks threw up that Kool Aid already. Go try with the Asians. They seem to have open arms.
Grata
· 1 year ago
"In terms of civilizations, have you ever heard of Mauretania? Or Nubia/Kush? Numidia? Mali? Songhai? Ghana? Axum? Of course not, your mind couldn't fathom ancient African civilizations."
Sid,
Why educate a fool? Let sleeping dogs lie.
simone
· 1 year ago
If it was simply about skin color, I could never be attracted to a white person. I am more attracted to the temperament that is generally different from blacks. But I have learnt the the American white temperament is different from the European whites and I find it less attractive. After being around American whites, a part of my attraction has died and now I am left with looking at them simply by their skin color and there is nothing there. -----------------------------
Unfortunately I have days like that as well Grata. Especailly living here in St. Louis Missouri. It is so damn racist here. The few Europeans here who I have run into wonder why blacks and whites don't interact more and why is it that black people act afraid to speak to white people. I don't think it is fear of speaking to white people. I think it has to do with the fact that alot of them unless you know them will not even look at you. If you are passing a white person up on the street or down a hallway they will look away, look at their watch or down at their feet alot of the times. So now unless a white person is looking in my direction and smiling I don't bother speaking. I used to speak first if they were not looking in my direction, but got ignored. It can make you a little bitter, that is why I cannot wait to leaveSt. Louis.It is very ugly here. I cannot wait to move to Seattle. Race relations here in St. Louis make extra hard to date. There are white guys here who are attracted to black women, but I think they may think we don't want them. Probably thinking because it is so segregated that we would not be interested. I see them looking and their attempts at flirting. I guess we will never know. Ti's ridiculous to me that race is still such a damn issue. So irrelevant to the really important things in life.
brohammas
· 1 year ago
Its a real shame if John is the only white representation on this thread.
I would just offer, again, that having discussions about what some "other" thinks and feels has a tendency to be very counterproductive. No one can say what soemeone else reall thinks, unless you ask "them". No one group, especially one as large as white people, is monolithic, so deciding what "they" think will surelly apply to some, but more likely, especially when dealing with cultures that have antagonistic history, negative ideals will be ascribed to the majority of that group despite the impossibility of really knowing.
yes, that was a run-on sentence.
There are white people who don't want black kids.
There are black people who don't want white kids.
What is quite telling, and damning in my opinion, are stories or statistic quotes, that talk of the shrinking percentage of whites in America, decrying the day when whites become the minority.
I have no problem with people wanting to protect a culture. Preserve language, foods, dance, traditions, but I ask what positive aspect of any culture of white people, has anything to do with skin color? Let it go.... (spoken to us white folk).
John, you arent helping nor do I think you are trying too.
The rest of ya'll, I say please be careful that the discussion doesn't become similar to a bunch of geeky boys sitting in thier mom's basement talking about what girls really want, when none of them have ever had a date.
This talk will not help them get a girl, they are talking to the wrong people.
simone
· 1 year ago
would just offer, again, that having discussions about what some "other" thinks and feels has a tendency to be very counterproductive. No one can say what soemeone else reall thinks, unless you ask "them". No one group, especially one as large as white people, is monolithic, so deciding what "they" think will surelly apply to some, but more likely, especially when dealing with cultures that have antagonistic history, negative ideals will be ascribed to the majority of that group despite the impossibility of really knowing. -------------------------
I know where I am from, it is pretty safe to say that you can tell what alot of white people think about you. Believe me.It shows in their actions and when youhave been around it long enough you just know. There are white people here who don't have a problem with interacting with black people and you can tell who is open and who is not. I have always made an effort in the past, but now unless I see an opening I don't really bother. I think it is really lousy that so much effort has to go into thinking or wondering if a person did not speak to or interact with you based on your skin color. Not that I sit around all day wondering, but I am a little taken aback sometimes depending on the day.
Grata
· 1 year ago
Here is a latest love note from JoVent. LOL! These guys crack me up.
"No Grata, white dudes don't give you attention because you're African. Africans are the ugliest people in the world. I know what you look like. You're black as coal and you have hair that resembles sand paper. Go back to Africa NIGGER! We don't want your gutter culture in this country. You're a race of Vernon. God isn't in you Bitch!"
I have been getting afew of these from him. LOL @ Sand paper hair. Is that supposed to be a bad thing? LOL.
Siditty
· 1 year ago
Here is a latest love note from JoVent. LOL! These guys crack me up.
Joshua sent the almost exact same thing (word for word) to my comments section yesterday, it was promptly deleted.
simone
· 1 year ago
"No Grata, white dudes don't give you attention because you're African. Africans are the ugliest people in the world. I know what you look like. You're black as coal and you have hair that resembles sand paper. Go back to Africa NIGGER! We don't want your gutter culture in this country. You're a race of Vernon. God isn't in you Bitch ---------------------------------- Wow sounds like God is a really close part of his life. It kills me when these racists scream all these hateful nasty things and have the nerve to think God is pleased with their behavior. What arrogance. So much ignorance in those small minds they cannot see straight.
Siditty
· 1 year ago
What is a race of vernon? Does he mean vermin?
JamDown
· 1 year ago
To answer your question - I am sure that some Whites view any mixture as dilluting their pure blood.
You have to keep in mind that when one thinks he/she is superior, of course, anything decreasing that superiority is bad.
This type of mentality may be dying out now - especially with someone like Obama at the helm. He certainly is someone that appears to have people of all races claiming as his own. I've seen websites where Obama's Irish ancestry is lauded, and heard many Whites emphasizing that he is mixed and not Black.
Cassie
· 1 year ago
Siddity,
Why do you allow someone like John to post here in the first place? You waited until he used the "N" word to delete his post.
That's a little disturbing. I know it's your blog and you can do as you damn well please, but you really should exercise a little more control. Otherwise, this will become TROLL CENTRAL.
Anonymous
· 1 year ago
Hey siditty, something interesting I've noted is that people who are 1/4 of something besides white/anglo saxon (ie. black, asian, etc.) tend to look more biracial than "quadroon" yet are mathematically supposed to be "less colored." It is interesting. I've seen many people who are 1/4 asian or black and look more like 1/2 asian or black.
I believe skin color is still a major indicator of race and identity, despite actual features or other inherited traits being just as prominent in a person's character. i think skin color is still the most alienating thing to many white folks.
I also agree that I've seen allllll blends of races (i can't even name a combo i HAVEN'T seen) and in all of such multiracial folks, the race-mixing was clear to me, save a few here n there. maybe my experience lets me be more perceptive of such things. for example, i always thought mariah carey was not "just white" though i thought she was hispanic (her grandpa is part venezuelan) and i could tell in jessica alba & the flashdance one too, prince, kristin kreuk, denise keller, and even Jon, the korean-white man you mentioned. So it is not something biological. it is social, and almost purely so.
Anonymous
· 1 year ago
I think people just view race differently. Some white people think that they are pure and therefore view everything else that is different as not being pure.
I'm a somewhat light skinned black young woman and when I was a baby, I looked like I was mixed. My dad is very dark skinned and my mom is light skinned so of course whenever she took me out somewhere, people would ask her if I was mixed. I wasn't of course, but that just goes to show you. One time a lady commented that I looked Chinese...if that's saying anything. I still get questions from time to time about being mixed. I'm not, but still.
laromana
· 1 year ago
It should be OBVIOUS that the "CONCEPT OF WHITENESS" IS EVIDENCE THAT RACISM IN THE AMERICAS IS AN IRRATIONAL CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM DESIGNED TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST BLACK/AFRICAN ANCESTRY. Everyone who HATES THIS BRAND OF RACISM should REJECT THE NOTION THAT HAVING BLACK BLOOD IS SHAMEFUL/BAD/WRONG and that HAVING WHITE/NON-BLACK BLOOD IS SUPERIOR. If ALL OF US respected the right of EACH INDIVIDUAL to acknowledge their FULL RACIAL IDENTITY without PLACING AN ANTI-BLACK RACIST JUDGEMENT ON IT, then maybe our society could begin to get past the IRRATIONAL EVIL OF ANTI-BLACK RACISM.
Chablis
· 1 year ago
Race is a social construct. It is interesting that the favoring of light skin coloring over dark skin coloring shows up in other parts of the world and among other races as well. My father served in Vietnam and Korea, and was quite familiar with Asian cultures, and said that among Asians there was this color prejudice. Chinese and Japanese, were the fairest, were from the northern climes and considered themselves superior to Cambodians (who the Vietnamese called mud people), because of their darker skin. There used to be prejudice against darker skinned Sicilians from northern Italians with fairer skin and more northern European looks. Given that this phenomena exists in other cultures, among other tribes or indigenous peoples, I wonder- where does this come from? We know that in this country it was slavery, miscegenation, Jim Crow, the one drop rule, all of those cultural and societal factors that underlie white fear of being perceived as having any "black blood." But I wonder, what accounts for this prejudice among other peoples?
Grata
· 1 year ago
Sid,
Still getting JoVent's love notes. This time he sent a picture of a model and one of a 10 inch penis claiming its him LOL! This guy is hillarious.
FunkyStarkitty50
· 1 year ago
It's really interesting because people thought that my oldest son was White when he was an infant and that I was the nanny. When he would be out with his Father, no one ever questioned who the parent was. They just saw a White man and his White son out together. But, Hispanic women used to come up to him and make a huge fuss and talk to him in Spanish and ask me if the father was Mexican, Cuban or Puerto Rican. I often wonder if my sons decide to identify as White, would I take it as a sign of rejection?? It would be their choice, although society would never see them as White. It's a very interesting subject...
La Reyna
· 1 year ago
I wish that John boy stays at Steve Sailer, American Renaissance, Kinist.org, and VDARE because his views are typical of right-wingers and conservatives.
Wanting to preserve his heritage? Well, it's too late. Look at Europe. Europe has been a melting pot, especially Southern and Eastern Europeans that immigrated in this country in the early 20th century. They have Black, Arabic, and Asian ancestry.
So John, get your head straight or else.
Stephanie B.
brohammas
· 1 year ago
I get asked if I'm Puerto Rican all the time when out with my girls. I'm just your average white guy when I'm by myself.
La Reyna
· 1 year ago
Here are several multiracials I'd like to show all of you, including ignorant a-holes like John, who constantly lurking and trolling this website.
to the poster looking to move to Seattle, race relations aren't much better here. i moved here from the midwest thinking it would be more progressive, it's not. the problem is that there aren't many people of color here, so at times you will be the first brown face people have seen. however if your an Asian female, this is your heaven.
Siditty
· 1 year ago
however if your an Asian female, this is your heaven.
Isn't this everywhere in America?
Anonymous
· 12 months ago
to the poster looking to move to Seattle, race relations aren't much better here. i moved here from the midwest thinking it would be more progressive, it's not. the problem is that there aren't many people of color here, so at times you will be the first brown face people have seen. however if your an Asian female, this is your heaven. ----------------------------------- Wow that is very dissapointing. I heard from a couple of people how much better it was. It was the main thing that made me come to the conclusion that I wanted to relocate there. I figured if I am going to move away I may as well move somewhere where race relations are alot better because I am tired of how bad it is here. I am at the point of wanting to start cursing people out. I was called a jerk by this white guy while I was going into Barnes and Noble the other day, I don't even know what I did. I just stood there looking because I did not even know what the hell happened. Once I snapped out of it. I wanted to find a brick and bust his damn head with it. I mean he had the angirest look on his face. I wonder if I had said something back what would have happened? He might have just been crazyand its better to avoid crazy in all colors. That is why I do not need a gun.
ANyway to the poster who gave me the info on Seattle, thank you.
simone
· 12 months ago
Sorry I posted under anonymous, normally I don't but I had to sign in all over again. So to the anon with the Seattle info,thanks again.
All Comments
If you study or know history/genealogy one would know that despite some Hispanics having light skin and East Asians having fair skin they're not close to white.
The lady obviously is part of the percentage of white Americans that have black/African ancestry.
About 1/3 of American whites have black in them. And it would be more if it wasn't for the influx of immigrants that came to this country in the 20's/30's.
Many white Americans are under the impression that they're "pure".
That reminds me of the movie Lost Boundaries. Where the biracial (white/black) family was passing for white and living the life of what whites where living.
And one day everyone found out that they where "negro" even though they didn't look it. They had to break off friendships with their white friends etc...
That biracial family did not look black. They just looked like white people but that just happen to have some black ancestry. All those white people that acted like they was so disgusted because they was mixed with black probably didn't realize they where likely mixed too.
As for your question. No whiteness is not devalued when it's mixed with other races. In fact it's elevated.
I don't know how many times I've seen whites make a big deal over an "Eurasian" child. Some even classify the child as white even though they look Asian.
I don't know about white/Hispanic because where I live most Hispanics & whites don't hang together let alone have kids. But I'm sure those that do don't see white mix with Hispanic and devalue it.
Many whites think "black blood" is some how tainted. And even if it's mixed with white it doesn't matter. That's why the One Drop Rule continues to exist.
"Black blood" = bad has been in breaded in many people for centuries.
It would take and enlightened person to believe otherwise.
I remember hearing about white-washing. Which this book basically touches on also.
Genetics is a bitch, because that 1/4 black blood can fuck up the whole gene pool! (to a white person)
As for the question, since it is something I never really had to confront or think about, I think for some it is, but I wonder if it is the wealthy (upper class) that worry about it much. I'm not talking about the racists that live in trailer, but the ones that actually want to make sure their "lineage" is "pure".
The book in the end, I don't know if anyone has read it already, but let's just say it is not as clear cut as you would assume.
I think so too, but many white people feel that hispanics and asians are able to assimilate into white culture, so if a white person has to "lower themselves" to date or marry outside the race, these races are their best bets.
About 1/3 of American whites have black in them. And it would be more if it wasn't for the influx of immigrants that came to this country in the 20's/30's.
Most whites with mixed ancestry don't know or don't want to know they are mixed.
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We have to remember. Hispanic is NOT a race but an ethnic/cultural identification. There are white, black, indian, & mixed hispanics.
My daugther is biethinc (black & white) and you should hear some of the crap that comes out of white folks mouths. Mind you, I am a dark skinned black woman and my daugther basically looks white. The will come up with anything, any explination to assure themselves that she is NOT mine.
The best is not being asked but being told how wonderful of me that i adopted her...LMAO (Let me just say that if I were going to adopt a child i would adopt a child of color...lord knows many of htem need homes, and when was the last time you saw a black person adopt a white child??)
Bottome line is they are afraid becasue they can't tell that she is black and that messes them up. The thought that their son could bring her home some day or they could be friend her and have no idea that her mother is black (that she is black)freaks the hell out of them!!
Ultimately I think the kids not being raised Christian was her biggest worry. It goes to show that even the races perceived as closer to white aren't close enough for everyone.
*it's great to read a blog from someone in the dallas area!
Anyway, I think people who are known to have white blood mixed with black are more often devalued compared to those of other mixes. Just think of how often whites like to claim Native American ancestors, compared to how very rarely they claim what is much more common, black ancestors.
I also think that in some social circles, some mixed kids are even more valued than plain old white kids, especially white-and-Asian kids.
By the way, what about this video? "Wonderful black baby with blue eyes." "Wonderful"? Why? Not that I'm saying this baby isn't wonderful. I'm just wondering why the poster of the video would say so, and why it's such a popular video--over a million views is pretty high on YouTube.
They think about it, but they don't vocalize it like the trailer park folks.
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We have to remember. Hispanic is NOT a race but an ethnic/cultural identification. There are white, black, indian, & mixed hispanics.
Here in Texas we have the indian hispanics, and so many claim to be 100% pure spaniard or a strong mix of both, even though most are overwhelmingly indian.
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so Jon and Kate's children are only 1/4 Korean yet people still refer to them as Asian proving once again that American's construction of race is wacky
Exactly. This is why I don't buy the asian and hispanic folks being considered more acceptable.
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Am I the only person who doesn't matter whether or not a child looks like me. If you're shallow enough to be concerned upset about your child have a dark skin tone or not looking like you then you probably don't need kids. A real parent wants to know if they're kid is healthy or not, not will it look more black than white.
I definitely agree. Your child's skin tone, hair color, and eye color shouldn't even be a concern, especially if you are seeking out or are dating IR. You need to worry about the health of the baby, everything else is secondary.
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What white people are really afraid of (and the reason the one drop rule still exist) is not being able to tell if a white person is "mixed" with something else.
Very true. I also love how people make up just complete BS to justify why your daughter couldn't be yours LOL
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I was shocked to hear my retirement aged white friend say she was hurt when her son married an Asian woman. She said she felt initially that he had rejected his culture, family, parents. Silly me, but I thought white people often saw Asians as analogous to themselves.
I always thought the same as it seems there is a rush to get an asian chick, so many white men tend to seek them out. I thought they were seen as equals, maybe this is a white woman thing? Maybe white women feel threatened by asian women?
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i know this has absolutely nothing to do with your current post, but i read on one of your earlier ones that you bought colored contacts from Big T...girl what was wrong with you?!?!?! you should have known better than to get anything that's potentially life-threatening from there, LOL!
Hey Dallasite!!!!!! Yeah my husband already hates colored contacts and I wanted to try them out as I never had before. My cousin in I chipped in and got a dea of 2/$20 each. I trusted she got her there when she is in town, I need to get mine from there too. Trusting someone from East Texas about any type of shopping in Dallas can be a mistake. She lives in Marshall, not exactly a shopping Mecca.
Yeah, my husband banned me from there because of that shooting that happened there. He felt that was his proof that Big T Bazaar can be dangerous. Before that, after the color contact incident, he demanded I go with him instead of by myself or with others because I don't know how to shop appropriately and can't be trusted to make good decisions (color contacts)
I guess I am asking if racial purity is important, and if white people do dare to mix with other races, is the level of being devalued dependent upon the race they dare to mix with?
Anyway, I think people who are known to have white blood mixed with black are more often devalued compared to those of other mixes. Just think of how often whites like to claim Native American ancestors, compared to how very rarely they claim what is much more common, black ancestors.
I agree. Me and my husband have this joke about white people. Per all white people who claim to be mixed with Native American, they are always related to chiefs or princesses of a tribe, they are never "common" native americans. There also tends to be this trend that all white people claim to be related to someone famous or to royalty. They can't ever be descendants of blacksmiths, candle makers, or common folks. Only kings, queens, and feudal lords.
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Truth be told, EVERYBODY on this earth is mixed with SOME damn thing. Take a good look at your family tree to see what I mean. Nobody is pure white, Pure black, pure NUFFIN'. Believe it, Recieve it and get over it.
Very true, we are all mixed, but for some keeping racially pure, or ensuring their offspring "look like them" is important, even though I figure if you had a child with a black person, the child would look somewhat like you or obtain at least some of your features, as with most children, regardless of race.
I don't know exactly why that is "wonderful", but within the black community to have eyes like that is something to be exalted, light eyes, light skin, and "good hair" are highly valued within the black community.
I don't know exactly why that is "wonderful", but within the black community to have eyes like that is something to be exalted, light eyes, light skin, and "good hair" are highly valued within the black community.
Now: True cases, I know of:
1) Black woman and White man both have white daughter. The girl looks like her black mother though but she is white !NOT ALBINO. She's not ugly at all. Very pretty infact.
2) Two close friends: One is half Japanese/half Greek and another is half Korean/half Greek.
The 1st looks very european from afar but up close you can see she is asian, but can tell she is mixed. My Mum thinks she looks more like her Dad who is Greek ! Second one doesn't looked as mixed but i could tell he was when i looked at his hair. IT WAS definately greek hair :-P.
3) A white girl with blonde hair at Uni recently told me her grandmother was Jamaican. As in as black as me Jamacian. I didn't believe her. She said everytime she went on holiday in Jamaica no one would believe they were related. Her mother is half black and father is white british...But she looks COMPLETELY CAUCASIAN ...if she hadn't told, no one would have known.
4) My old french teacher, who i didn't like but he liked...Pitied me i should say. Married a Rwandan woman. His daughter looks more like him that his wife. Same nose and smile !
It's all down to chance !!!
Expect the unexpected.
Even if outwardly both parties look like one thing.
Genetics is all about diversity. Diversity=survival of the fittest=Darwin etc etc...
Honestly, the human race will only stand together when we are invaded by aliens, we are constantly trying to segregate ourselves into groups and tribes. There's no shade of grey i guess...
Of course not, the black people just got mixed european blood by osmosis. But you can check this story out to see where that number came from.
From the story:
Fine has a point. For centuries, America has been less a racial melting pot and more a stew, where different communities bump up against each other, but keep mostly to themselves. Yet, as millions of Americans take DNA tests, they are discovering a surprising truth: America's strict racial lines are, in fact, blurred. One-third of white Americans, according to some tests, will possess between two and 20 per cent African genes. The majority of black Americans have some European ancestors.
Finally, what is so bad with white people wanting to have kids that look like them? What's wrong with wanting to preserve your heritage? This is another one of your anti-white posts.
Why would a child that is yours NOT look like you? Why would your heritage be diminished if you had a mixed race child? Your child would have two heritages, not lose one over the other, unless you subscribe to the one drop rule yourself.
Yes all my posts are anti-white. To discuss race relations in America is very anti-white.
I'm pretty much pure African Black. YAY :-D !!!
I know that Vanessa Williams is black but she has blue eyes and BOTH her parents are black. This is due to her lineage and past right ?
This is why genetics is cool !
The Real American Love Story Why America is a lot less white than it looks.
http://slate.msn.com/id/35817/
Chrissy
When I was a kid, I lived down the street from a couple where the father was white and the mother was Korean. Their first child was a red head with green eyes, his coloring and the shape of his eyes were the only indication he was asian, if I didn't know his parents, I would imagine he was mixed with something, but not asian. The younger two kids looked overwhelmingly asian.
I know that Vanessa Williams is black but she has blue eyes and BOTH her parents are black. This is due to her lineage and past right ?
Her parents are light skinned with blue eyes as well. They are obviously of mixed ancestry, but the one drop rule deems them black, so that is why she is known as the first black Miss America.
Very true!
Have you seen Halle Berry's daughter? She looks very tanned for a child that suppose to be only 25% black.
And she probably will only get darker considering mix children tend to get darker as they get older.
My theory is Halle Berry's daughter is tanned like that is because either Gabriel Aubry isn't as white as we think lol, or Halle Berry is a little more black then we think. (Halle's mom probably has some black ancestry).
Whenever I hear a white American refer to themselves with all seriousness as white, as if that is a solid identity, I get wary. It shows a lack of depth with the person.
I'm inclined to believe this....
Most Bi-racial kids look more black than white. Black traits are dominant. White traits are more recessive. 75% of Bi-racial kids consider themselves black and they don't embrace their white side. Alicia doesn't embrace her Italian heritage and Halle doesn't embrace her Irish side. Also, they don't really look like their white mothers. I think it's self-annihilation for a white person to have children with black people. It's interesting that Berry and keys makes such a big deal about being black. They were raised by their white mothers who were beaten and abandoned by their black fathers. Clearly, Berry, Keys have calculated that it is more advantageous for their careers to identify with the man who abandoned them rather than the woman who raised her. White people should use this as an example of what will happen to you if you marry outside your race. Your children will abandon you.
No where in that article does it say that 1/3 of white American have black blood. Of course most Black American have white blood, but the majority of white people came here after slavery. They way you talk about race is anti-white because you only look at race from one point of view. I think it is very arrogant and condescending for you to proclaim that you know how white people feel or think about certain issues. White people are not a monolithic group that all act and think the same way.
I swear, almost everyone I know of has had John come to their page and talk about Whites and how anti-white we are. Sometimes he changes his name, but his messages are the same. He obviously has some issues and needs to see Dr. Phil or someone of the like.
Due to this, it showed me how related Americans are, yet we wish to stay divided...if we only knew and/or chose to face the reality.
LOL, keep telling yourself that. If you say enough you will believe it.
"75% of Bi-racial kids consider black and they don't embrace their white side"
They consider themselves black because they live in a country that doesn't care or acknowledge (for the most part) that their mixed.
You think the media is going to start calling them biracial just because they say so?
Despite Tiger Woods efforts with the "Caublasian" term most whites still view him as black.
*Yawn*
Keep deluding yourself.
Whenever I hear a white American refer to themselves with all seriousness as white, as if that is a solid identity, I get wary. It shows a lack of depth with the person.
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I know Grata. I guess it goes with being raised in a culture where you are thought to be superior to everyone else. It truly shows lack of depth when you think the color of your skin makes you inherently better. It all boils down to character.At least to me. Color does not give you character. I mean I like white guys but it is not because I think their skin color makes them better people. When I see a tall white guy with blue or green eyes and dark hair it drives me crazy. I am not like "ooooh white skin, hot." Unfortunately alot of different cultures think it for white people, even if some white people don't think that way about themselves. Some ofthose cultures place alot of value on being white and give the power to that whole white skin is better concept. Sad and shallow.
Your concept of what black looks like is altered due to the one drop rule implemented. Many biracial people identify with their black side because their white side rejects them. If you create a child, more than likely it will look like you, regardless or not if the coloring is different. It shows me how racist you are to make such ignorant assumptions.
Also, they don't really look like their white mothers.
These two represent all biracial people. Does Tom Metzger and David Duke represent you?
. I think it's self-annihilation for a white person to have children with black people.
You are about 400 years too late to worry about self-annihilation and to me unwarranted as with all the mixing in this country, many white people reject or don't know about their "mixed" ancestry, like you did when you refuted what was said about many whites in America being mixed.
White people should use this as an example of what will happen to you if you marry outside your race. Your children will abandon you.
Yes that is exactly what will happen. That is what always happens ::rolls eyes at stupidity::
No where in that article does it say that 1/3 of white American have black blood. Of course most Black American have white blood, but the majority of white people came here after slavery. They way you talk about race is anti-white because you only look at race from one point of view
OK Let me go back to the article:
Fine has a point. For centuries, America has been less a racial melting pot and more a stew, where different communities bump up against each other, but keep mostly to themselves. Yet, as millions of Americans take DNA tests, they are discovering a surprising truth: America's strict racial lines are, in fact, blurred. One-third of white Americans, according to some tests, will possess between two and 20 per cent African genes.The majority of black Americans have some European ancestors.
They way you talk about race is anti-white because you only look at race from one point of view. I think it is very arrogant and condescending for you to proclaim that you know how white people feel or think about certain issues. White people are not a monolithic group that all act and think the same way.
Much like the blacks and biracials you just stereotyped aren't a monolithic group that all act and think the same way. You used Alicia Keys and Halle Berry as proof of how biracial people think and act and proof of how horrible race mixing is. Two people make up the whole group? How is that any different? You claim I am anti white because I look at things from the perspective of a black woman. I am a black woman. I am a black woman who was raised in predominantly white areas for most of my life and I was able to interact and assimilate to white people way more than people who looked like me as a result for many years of my life. That is the perspective I bring, how many black people do you actually know outside of work that you interact with? Looking at your warped beliefs, not many. I live with a white man, have white family, and probably interact with more white people on a daily basis than yourself. I am not coming into MY OPINIONS completely blind, much like you seem to be.
For real. This man is crazy and irrational.
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They consider themselves black because they live in a country that doesn't care or acknowledge (for the most part) that their mixed. You think the media is going to start calling them biracial just because they say so? Despite Tiger Woods efforts with the "Caublasian" term most whites still view him as black.
EXACTLY, John fails to acknowledge this.
There was no white racism in Africa during the millennia that blacks have dominated that continent, yet the mean IQ of African blacks is considerably lower than that of American blacks. Again contradicting conventional wisdom, Race crunches some more numbers to show that the 100,000+ years during which Africans and Eurasians evolved apart was enough to permit the African/ Caucasoid divergence.
No sub- Saharan society has ever developed mathematics, a written language, formal educational institutions, or the wheel, while white and Asian societies have done so many times. Once again, attribution of this failure to culture is circular, begging as it does the question of why whites and Asians, but not blacks, built cultures in which these indicia of civilization appeared.
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Siditty,
I think you should post a nice collage of black/white biracial babies pics for the Js viewing pleasure.
In terms of civilizations, have you ever heard of Mauretania? Or Nubia/Kush? Numidia? Mali? Songhai? Ghana? Axum? Of course not, your mind couldn't fathom ancient African civilizations.
4% of black people commit crime. Not 96% of black people. Also note we make up 13% of the America population, whites make up over 60%, sheer numbers alone and common sense should tell you for a white person to commit a crime against a black person, they have to actively seek them. The people who carjacked my mother 5 years ago, were two white teen boys, do all white teen boys carjack middle age black women who live in suburbia? Use your facts and figures that have made you determine blacks are "scum" and use some common sense.
I guess you never once thought that the history we learned could be biased and not have relevant information that discusses what us lowly black people have accomplished. You never once realized us unintelligent negros don't subscribe well to IQ tests that are based upon European and white education systems, and not African. Just FYI, I have an IQ higher than 85% of the American populations regardless of race, my brother has an IQ higher than 96% of the American population. We are both black, and I am sure it isn't just black people bringing down America's education system as it continues to lag behind other countries. We have high IQ, not because we are just that much smarter, but we have been exposed to an education system that many people in America aren't afforded and two parents with Master's degrees who place a high emphasis on education.
I guess Tom Metzger and David Duke do represent you. The problem with people like you, are you are ignorant and uneducated, and when presented with information that proves just how wrong you are, you try to deflect to something else, but unfortunately for you, you managed to find black people who aren't the "scum" you think they are, and they can actually read and are probably more educated than you are. It is obvious we are more intelligent than you.
It's people like this pitiful imbecile that makes it so hard for Americans as a whole to begin to have an uninhibited, ideology of the truth and learn to respect it. Seriously, what good does it do for imbeciles to react this way? Huh, John (if that's your real name)? Let's have a "tell us why you mad son" moment, and express what's really going on in that ill mind of yours.
"75% of Bi-racial kids consider themselves black and they don't embrace their white side".
Maybe its because they get exposed to white racism and they don't want to be part of it. If the whites they are around look down on black people while these kids are part black, they will naturally resent them.
If it was simply about skin color, I could never be attracted to a white person. I am more attracted to the temperament that is generally different from blacks. But I have learnt the the American white temperament is different from the European whites and I find it less attractive. After being around American whites, a part of my attraction has died and now I am left with looking at them simply by their skin color and there is nothing there.
John,
HAHAHAHAHAH! And your point is? What are you trying to sell here? That blacks are inferior and you superior? If that is the case, so what? Go celebrate your superiority, why do you need to come and talk to our lowly selves. Why don't you stick around your superior kind?
Actually I think I know why you are here. You are attempting to convince us that we are inferior and you superior so we can uphold you. Without us holding you up as superior, you are nothing really because you yourself don't believe in your superiority. You only feel it when someone you deem inferior thinks of you as superior.
Tough luck for you. The blacks threw up that Kool Aid already. Go try with the Asians. They seem to have open arms.
Sid,
Why educate a fool? Let sleeping dogs lie.
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Unfortunately I have days like that as well Grata. Especailly living here in St. Louis Missouri. It is so damn racist here. The few Europeans here who I have run into wonder why blacks and whites don't interact more and why is it that black people act afraid to speak to white people. I don't think it is fear of speaking to white people. I think it has to do with the fact that alot of them unless you know them will not even look at you. If you are passing a white person up on the street or down a hallway they will look away, look at their watch or down at their feet alot of the times. So now unless a white person is looking in my direction and smiling I don't bother speaking. I used to speak first if they were not looking in my direction, but got ignored. It can make you a little bitter, that is why I cannot wait to leaveSt. Louis.It is very ugly here. I cannot wait to move to Seattle. Race relations here in St. Louis make extra hard to date.
There are white guys here who are attracted to black women, but I think they may think we don't want them. Probably thinking because it is so segregated that we would not be interested. I see them looking and their attempts at flirting. I guess we will never know. Ti's ridiculous to me that race is still such a damn issue. So irrelevant to the really important things in life.
I would just offer, again, that having discussions about what some "other" thinks and feels has a tendency to be very counterproductive. No one can say what soemeone else reall thinks, unless you ask "them". No one group, especially one as large as white people, is monolithic, so deciding what "they" think will surelly apply to some, but more likely, especially when dealing with cultures that have antagonistic history, negative ideals will be ascribed to the majority of that group despite the impossibility of really knowing.
yes, that was a run-on sentence.
There are white people who don't want black kids.
There are black people who don't want white kids.
What is quite telling, and damning in my opinion, are stories or statistic quotes, that talk of the shrinking percentage of whites in America, decrying the day when whites become the minority.
I have no problem with people wanting to protect a culture. Preserve language, foods, dance, traditions, but I ask what positive aspect of any culture of white people, has anything to do with skin color? Let it go.... (spoken to us white folk).
John, you arent helping nor do I think you are trying too.
The rest of ya'll, I say please be careful that the discussion doesn't become similar to a bunch of geeky boys sitting in thier mom's basement talking about what girls really want, when none of them have ever had a date.
This talk will not help them get a girl, they are talking to the wrong people.
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I know where I am from, it is pretty safe to say that you can tell what alot of white people think about you. Believe me.It shows in their actions and when youhave been around it long enough you just know. There are white people here who don't have a problem with interacting with black people and you can tell who is open and who is not. I have always made an effort in the past, but now unless I see an opening I don't really bother. I think it is really lousy that so much effort has to go into thinking or wondering if a person did not speak to or interact with you based on your skin color. Not that I sit around all day wondering, but I am a little taken aback sometimes depending on the day.
"No Grata, white dudes don't give you attention because you're African. Africans are the ugliest people in the world. I know what you look like. You're black as coal and you have hair that resembles sand paper. Go back to Africa NIGGER! We don't want your gutter culture in this country. You're a race of Vernon. God isn't in you Bitch!"
I have been getting afew of these from him. LOL @ Sand paper hair. Is that supposed to be a bad thing? LOL.
Joshua sent the almost exact same thing (word for word) to my comments section yesterday, it was promptly deleted.
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Wow sounds like God is a really close part of his life. It kills me when these racists scream all these hateful nasty things and have the nerve to think God is pleased with their behavior. What arrogance. So much ignorance in those small minds they cannot see straight.
You have to keep in mind that when one thinks he/she is superior, of course, anything decreasing that superiority is bad.
This type of mentality may be dying out now - especially with someone like Obama at the helm. He certainly is someone that appears to have people of all races claiming as his own. I've seen websites where Obama's Irish ancestry is lauded, and heard many Whites emphasizing that he is mixed and not Black.
Why do you allow someone like John to post here in the first place? You waited until he used the "N" word to delete his post.
That's a little disturbing. I know it's your blog and you can do as you damn well please, but you really should exercise a little more control. Otherwise, this will become TROLL CENTRAL.
I believe skin color is still a major indicator of race and identity, despite actual features or other inherited traits being just as prominent in a person's character. i think skin color is still the most alienating thing to many white folks.
I also agree that I've seen allllll blends of races (i can't even name a combo i HAVEN'T seen) and in all of such multiracial folks, the race-mixing was clear to me, save a few here n there. maybe my experience lets me be more perceptive of such things. for example, i always thought mariah carey was not "just white" though i thought she was hispanic (her grandpa is part venezuelan) and i could tell in jessica alba & the flashdance one too, prince, kristin kreuk, denise keller, and even Jon, the korean-white man you mentioned. So it is not something biological. it is social, and almost purely so.
I'm a somewhat light skinned black young woman and when I was a baby, I looked like I was mixed. My dad is very dark skinned and my mom is light skinned so of course whenever she took me out somewhere, people would ask her if I was mixed. I wasn't of course, but that just goes to show you. One time a lady commented that I looked Chinese...if that's saying anything. I still get questions from time to time about being mixed. I'm not, but still.
Still getting JoVent's love notes. This time he sent a picture of a model and one of a 10 inch penis claiming its him LOL! This guy is hillarious.
Wanting to preserve his heritage? Well, it's too late. Look at Europe. Europe has been a melting pot, especially Southern and Eastern Europeans that immigrated in this country in the early 20th century. They have Black, Arabic, and Asian ancestry.
So John, get your head straight or else.
Stephanie B.
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Lonette McKee:
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Ellen Holly:
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Vin Diesel:
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Jennifer Beals:
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Wentworth Miller:
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Mariah Carey:
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Maya Rudolph:
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Charli Baltimore:
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The Rock:
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Anna Cleveland(Pat Cleveland's daughter):
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Nicole Richie:
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Lester Holt:
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Stephanie B.
Isn't this everywhere in America?
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Wow that is very dissapointing. I heard from a couple of people how much better it was. It was the main thing that made me come to the conclusion that I wanted to relocate there. I figured if I am going to move away I may as well move somewhere where race relations are alot better because I am tired of how bad it is here. I am at the point of wanting to start cursing people out. I was called a jerk by this white guy while I was going into Barnes and Noble the other day, I don't even know what I did. I just stood there looking because I did not even know what the hell happened. Once I snapped out of it. I wanted to find a brick and bust his damn head with it. I mean he had the angirest look on his face. I wonder if I had said something back what would have happened? He might have just been crazyand its better to avoid crazy in all colors. That is why I do not need a gun.
ANyway to the poster who gave me the info on Seattle, thank you.