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Anonymous — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:40:00 -0000

grata, you seemed to be a hate filled person who wants to fight hate with more hate. black or not, i don't see where anyone was trying to avoid that this man who had his daughter in law killed was an asshole. but hate has you reading into comments what you want. good luck with that.

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Anonymous — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:40:00 -0000

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Oneness — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:15:00 -0000

I am an African American woman married to a Pakistani Man and his parents seem to like me pretty well, however my sister in laws do seem to have a little trouble accepting the fact that I am not "fair". This story hits home for me a little and from my experiances Black people in general are viewed at negativly by the rest of the world by the images projected to the world by the media as drug dealers, whores, and ghetto baby mamas. This is why Obama must be president. Not for what he is going to do for America but what he is going to do for hte image of black people around hte world. *taking a deep breath* We need to do better... we need to show ourselves as better, so that others think of as as more than what we have become.

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Oneness — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:15:00 -0000

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Grata — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 03:31:00 -0000

"Unless I'm missing something, I haven't seen anyone really express outrage that the men who actually killed Sparkle Rai were also African American".

The men that pulled the trigger where criminals and killed because they were paid money to kill. Any criminal would do that to their own race. We know that with black on black crime.
I guess to you it would be okay for other races to keep killing blacks since they kill themselves! Is that the logic you are going by?
This is a nice attempt to neutralize Indian bigotry but it doesn't hold. The man that paid the men to kill, did so because the victim was black and "beneath" his social level.

His sole motivation to kill was his hatred for her race. Completely different motive from the killers. And in case you hadn't noticed, this forum is about defending black humanity especially from the impacts of racial prejudice.

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stella — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 03:29:00 -0000

The men who did the actual killing weren't motivated by her race but by greed. The point of this post was to point out the general animosity that (South)Asians have towards Blacks.

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Grata — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 03:24:00 -0000

"I'm not African American but I still found the actions of this man deplorable. However I'm not going to put all Indian people in the same boat based on the actions of this man, or the prejudices that some or many might have".

Maybe you should explain why when a black person points out the treatment they receive from other groups, they are labelled as prejudiced. Is this an attempt to shut us up so the abuse can continue to serve you and the system in which you are comfortable ?

Trying to pretend that prejudice and discriminition against blacks by non black minorities does not exist does not make it non existent. Actually this denial to me is typical of a person that believes in the present racial hierachy only that this is more sinister because you are trying to pass yourself off as very tolerant. And you are the kind that needs to be avoided at all costs, the liberal type that is actually more harmful to black progress.

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Grata — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:31:00 -0000

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stella — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:29:00 -0000

The men who did the actual killing weren't motivated by her race but by greed. The point of this post was to point out the general animosity that (South)Asians have towards Blacks.

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Grata — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:24:00 -0000

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Anonymous — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:30:00 -0000

No one here denied outrage at the fact the people he hired to kill his daughter in law were black.

Unless I'm missing something, I haven't seen anyone really express outrage that the men who actually killed Sparkle Rai were also African American.

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Anonymous — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:27:00 -0000

Well said tenacious bree. You seem to be among the few here that isn't keen on the knee-jerk, visceral hateful reactions.

I'm not African American but I still found the actions of this man deplorable. However I'm not going to put all Indian people in the same boat based on the actions of this man, or the prejudices that some or many might have.

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Grata — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 03:58:00 -0000

""fanatical brown honor killers" is one of them, and I refuse to define Indian people by the actions of a select few -- actions that are highlighted by a media that thrives on the sensationalism that cheaply constructed ethnic caricatures provide."

Tenacious,

You point is understood. Some of us have more exposure and experience living with Indians so we are not informed by the media. Sometimes the Western media is a convinient scape goat. But if you want to see the true nature of black/Indian relations, you travel to East Africa. My country has 1000s of students that go to Universtiy in India every year because of the cheap tuition. They report the same treatment. I have lots of peers that have spent atleast 5 years in India and on return they want nothing to do with Indians and are irked by their presence in the country.

Is this spreading hate or is it simply noting the reality of their attitude towards blacks especially Africans?

When an African travels to England, they are shocked by the humility of the Indians there because they are faced with discrimination in Europe and know better. So, this is not just coming from one crime that some of us were never even aware of.

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Anonymous — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:30:00 -0000

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Grata — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:58:00 -0000

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Tenacious Bree — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:15:00 -0000

I've also been annoyed by the idea that black people as a group should be morally superior to their detractors at all times -- which I believe is an unforseen product of the Civil Rights movement. However, a lot of the hatred being spewed is based on bad old American prejudice/xenophobia that existed in some black Americans' hearts way before this horrible crime, in a manner akin to the backlash after the Latasha Harlins case. There's also a shrewd pragmatism on both sides, non-black minority and black; the lack of hesitance to throw other minority groups straight under the bus while seeking compromise and equitable co-existence with the dominant majority group, often under the guise of values like tolerance, that ought to be universally applicable to all groups, powerful or not, large or small.

That being said, when I was younger, I had a ton of hope when it came to non-black/non-white groups' perception of blacks. After all, they compose the true majority of people on earth, a lot of them have had negligible contact with blacks, for better or worse, and, like others, I had erroneously concluded that as a non-colonizing people, blacks had the equivalent of a "clean slate." I was disappointed to discover that lack of extended contact with blacks did not prevent them from being sold the standard bill of goods. However, I understand that other groups have unfortunate stereotypes as well -- "fanatical brown honor killers" is one of them, and I refuse to define Indian people by the actions of a select few -- actions that are highlighted by a media that thrives on the sensationalism that cheaply constructed ethnic caricatures provide. I saw the news coverage of the crime -- there was a serious mischaracterization of Indian culture as an impetus for the killing that was obvious to me, an outsider with some basic knowledge, and a sickening self-congratulatory tone strewn throughout that we've all seen before in different guises -- "Oh, look at those ethnic people, aren't they racist/sexist/homophobic/backwards/dysfunctional in comparison to us real Americans?" It was a damn shame what happened, and it's definitely not a good look for the son to bail on his kid like that, but racist nutjob Chinman Rai represents himself alone.

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Tenacious Bree — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:15:00 -0000

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Siditty — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:36:00 -0000

Rashida,

You should be fine, I am thinking your boyfriend has a bit more of a backbone than the victim's husband.

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Very well said. When we speak of our experiences as they are, then we are responding to hatred with hatred and two wrongs don't make a right. In otherwords we are expected to suffer silently. How insulting is that?

I don't get that either.

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Siditty — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:34:00 -0000

If you read my first post, I came here with disgust and disgrace for Chiman Rai did. Nowhere did I justify his actions. I was and am appalled & sickened by it. And quite frankly, I'm also disgusted by the fact that the hitmen being African American took Sparkle's life as an African American woman for a mere $10,000. Where's the outrage in that?! I'm thinking DAMN, this part of it is going to stand out for those that already view AA's in an unfavorable light.  

No one here denied outrage at the fact the people he hired to kill his daughter in law were black. What we are outraged about is the fact this man was so racist that he was willing to go to jail for it, even though he himself is a minority. That once again in this country there are people who are so quick to dislike the black people, who if not for the civil rights movement wouldn't even be here themselves. The outrage is that people do see AAs in an unfavorable light, regardless of the stats that say the majority of us are middle class working folks and not criminals, murderers, gang bangers, and hip hop celebrities.

Where did you get this from?

I got it from the fact I have never heard of a contract killing of a white spouse of an indian person here in this country. I have had indian people tell me they cant date IR and if they did, it better be with a white person and not a black person.

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Blacks are always told that we have to accommodate for and make allowances for the actions of a few as not normal—yet average normal non-Black people are free to stereotype and belittle Blacks until we HAVE to prove to you all that we are worthy of not being considered an animal. We can’t make rash generalization about other groups—no sir-- because how dare BLACK people make any kind of comment about how they are treated in the wider global society when our position in the world hierarchy is beneath contempt.

Nothing but truth there.

Everyone has a story about how rotten Black people are—but when we try to tell OUR own stories—as usual we are told to shut up stop generalizing—who are we to talk—look at you on the bottom-who can barely scrap by in the world order. Indians may have stereotypes—but they are nowhere in the vicinity of this universe that is coated with vitriol, disgust, debasement, contempt, and scorn that are reserved specially for Black people.  

You hit the nail right on the head.

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Grata — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:36:00 -0000

"Everyone has a story about how rotten Black people are—but when we try to tell OUR own stories—as usual we are told to shut up stop generalizing—who are we to talk—look at you on the bottom-who can barely scrap by in the world order".

Anonymous,

Very well said. When we speak of our experiences as they are, then we are responding to hatred with hatred and two wrongs don't make a right. In otherwords we are expected to suffer silently. How insulting is that?

If I point out the prejudice of the others, am I being prejudiced? This is the non black privilage, to blame the victim but when the victim exclaims then they are being prejudiced themselves. If that is so, then yes, I will be prejudiced and continue to expose the abuse by non black people.

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Siditty — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:36:00 -0000

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Rashida — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:24:00 -0000

I was very upset and disturbed by the story. I'm African American I've been dating an Indian man for a year now and we love each other very much. He told me that his family disapproves of him dating a non-Indian person, but we're working through it. His parents are in India and have never been to the US let alone met a non-Indian person before.

My mother called me and told me this story while enroute with my boyfriend to Toronto to meet his brother and other friends from India.

Needless to say, I was scared shitless! I had to maintian my composure. Everyone was so nice to me and I knew that getting his brother's approval would definitely benefit me and my guy in the long run.

After I left Toronto by myself to go back to work, I couldn't stop thinking about poor sparkle and what if that was me.

I still have to entertain my boyfriend's brother for a few more days and at least I will be able to have some alone time with him so I can figure out where his head is at and perhaps his family's and make my decision as to which path I should take.

I know that Indian culture is complex, but I just hope that no one get hurt physically or emotionally if we decide to take our love for each other to the next level.

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Grata — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:36:00 -0000